DDP Rumor and affect on DVC Member Perceived Value

[BCV23]

Well, I don't think it said anything about "giving away" wine....rather it was included in the price as I read it. It certainly would be a huge departure though. Even the ridiculously priced platinum plans of the past never included alcohol with the exception of meals like the Hoop and the Luau where certain alcoholic beverages are included in the price of the meal for everyone over 21.

Did enjoy the Eagle Pines Rustic Retreat concept though.

 

[DBorges]

You people amaze me more then rumors

I did reseach this more then anyone else here FACT!!!!

Disney has no knowlegde of a change for 2008 in the dinning

Virgin does have it posted on there site they did say that they made a contract with disney and that it is less..

I mean no offence to the all knowing disney posters here since there rumors get turned to fact..

All you need to do is look back over shall we say the last 14 years and the dinning plan has only changed from a voucher system to being apart of the key to the world card.

The price has changed over the years

IT makes no sence to take away these items it is only rumor..

Hell The people that would know did not even know that virgin had that statement on there web site and Disney IT side is looking into that now.

Because I repete NO price for the ddp has been released to anyone.

There are people here how just may know more they you think.

So you can think what you want BUT IT IS A RUMOR..

I am waiting like alot of other dvc members to add the ddp to their resies

So yes that is why i even read this post I was simple amaze at the lack of understanding or even lack knowledge of some here..

You seem all to quick to attack me for pointing out it is rumor..

Funny I must have hit a soft stop in most of you.

I could ramble on for hours but I will not I will just watch you draw answers from rumors and think wow where do they get this from

This is fact Disney has not released the ddp for 2008 virgin is doing what ever and disney is not privey too it or at least now they are.

So rumor on folks

 

[DBorges]

Well one I am amazed that someone cares enough to call the UK from MA just to see what they can find out.

However, the really interesting part is that if Virgin did this to save money they sure as heck aren't passing it on to thier guests. Over on the DDP board someone actually figured out the incremental cost for the DDP from Virgin. I think its around $50 a day.... So Virgin guests get LESS for more money???

(posters who buy the package via Virgin have pointed out that Virgins pricing tradionally does not mirror Disney's but has different mark ups. However, they must give a good value overall based on the bookings!)

As for the link BCV23 posted.... I think it's about as truthful as my announcement of the Eagle Pins "rustic" retreat..... (that was the one where your DVC membership let you camp in case you missed it!) Disney is not giving away wine.... There are LAWS against that LOL! (Not to mention every Southern Baptist within 10,000 miles would be demanding a refund for the "wages of sin" )

There are also famous for say to a uk traveler that they booked a club level room and when they get to disney they have a normal room..

All I am saying is it is still a rumor and yes i did call the uk cause I hate to be told something that is just wrong..

 

[BCV23]

To me it is all speculation until WDW releases info on any changes.

But DBorges, I disagree that the dining plan has only changed from vouchers to KTTW card. There have been different iterations of the basic dining plan over the years. There was a Food and Fun plan, another where you received so many "wishes." I don't recall any that included one snack, one QS and one TS per day.

We used to do the old Gold Key plan which is largely unchanged since the early 80s and never received vouchers. Which plan used vouchers?

 

[DBorges]

That was what used a voucher program I used it back 1994..

Like you said it is only a guessing game .

I think some people take rumor to heart and get worked up into a up roar

Just sit back and watch time will tell but too me it is all a rumor and if virgin is doing what they normaly do by screwing the uk people that is there issue.

For me I will put my money on two things The DDP will be the same with a increase and the Red Sox will have a better record then them damn Yankee's

you heard it here first folks let the rumor mill go wild now lol

 

[Muushka]

No offense to you DBorges, but the reason why I listen to certain posters on these boards is because they have a history, they do their homework and they don't just throw out wild speculations. I have been on these boards long enough to know when something is probably true, and it is usually stated by someone that I trust.

I don't enjoy rumors, I think they are a waste of time and mental energy. But I do appreciate an informed speculation.

 

[DBorges]

No offense to you DBorges, but the reason why I listen to certain posters on these boards is because they have a history, they do their homework and they don't just throw out wild speculations. I have been on these boards long enough to know when something is probably true, and it is usually stated by someone that I trust.

I don't enjoy rumors, I think they are a waste of time and mental energy. But I do appreciate an informed speculation.

First off I have thick skin...

I just do not think what was been said was rumor that had facts behind it..

I thrive off find out things must be my law enforcement nature But i knew that was way to far fectch too..

The Sox will still beat the Yankees

Hell we may even win the World series again lol how that for a rumor

 

[Muushka]

Hell we may even win the World series again lol how that for a rumor

I'm a native New Englander. That would be fine with me!

It's funny. My husband does not read the boards, but he relies on me to keep him informed. I always say "Well the new rumor is...". I never say that to him unless someone that I trust has reported it. And in the past 9 years, I really can't think of any rumor that I told my husband that did not turn out to be true.

 

[Chuck S]

Actually, the dining plan has changed a lot over the years. Food N Fun wasn't just vouchers, it (or a similarly named program) evolved into a "pay $50, get $55 worth of food" plan in its final year.

The DDP has not been available as a separate add on, only as part of a resort package, including room, tickets, and other "perks" like a free Birmbaum guide book. It has only been available to DVC for 2 years. It also changed to specify "1 CS, 1 TS and 1 snack" Pricing has changed, they used to have "Junior" class pricing for teens on packages. And tracking of adult and child credits just was reported this year.

If Virgin is correct (and they did go through the expense of notifying booked guests, as well as altering their website, which may lead to some folks canceling) then I would suspect that the overall DDP will be the same...why add another level of dining plan only for one travel provider that would require all restaurant staff to be taught about the changes, and take time & $$ to implement?

At this point, yes, it is still speculation, as these changes haven't been formally announced by Disney...but the evergrowing pool of circumstantial evidence leads me to believe it is true. Disney phone CMs are often the last to be informed of changes, and they most likely won't be informed of any changes until the 2008 rates for rooms and packages are ready for booking in their computers.

I also want to remind everyone of the DIS Site Guidelines, especially the part about argumentive and sarcastic posts.

The DIS forums are about open discussion and differing opinions. Everyone may express theirs, and everyone has one.

 

[hansel1]

The problem with rumors is that if you hear them enough, they become fact in your mind.

Let's not forget that last year the big issue was that the non-disney owned restaurant were not going to re-sign with disney to be included on the DDP for 2007 as they were losing money. Many people jumped on that band wagon. Yet, the DDP was exactly as it had been the year previous while raising prices slightly. The only real difference is that they expanded the snack category to include more.

 

[disneynutz]

I also want to remind everyone of the DIS Site Guidelines, especially the part about argumentive and sarcastic posts.

The DIS forums are about open discussion and differing opinions. Everyone may express theirs, and everyone has one.

Okay, Okay... I take back everything nasty that I have ever said or thought of saying about you Chuck.

 

[Chuck S]

Okay, Okay... I take back everything nasty that I have ever said or thought of saying about you Chuck.

Everyone just needs to remember to play nice.

 

[jarestel]

It's true enough that until an official announcement is made, everything could be dismissed as idle chatter and speculation. I don't care personally one way or the other what happens to the DDP, but I have always subscribed to the "where there's smoke, there's fire" philosophy. Seems like an awful lot of smoke here!

Time will tell.

 

[Sammie]

Disney has no knowlegde of a change for 2008 in the dinning

Actually that is not accurate. Everyone that works for Disney does not have knowledge of changes in 2008 for the dining plan, but there are people who work for Disney that do know.

 

[salmoneous]

Let's not forget that last year the big issue was that the non-disney owned restaurant were not going to re-sign with disney to be included on the DDP for 2007 as they were losing money. Many people jumped on that band wagon. Yet, the DDP was exactly as it had been the year previous while raising prices slightly.

And if you remember, that wasn't just rumor. There were actually published lists of DDP restaurants that didn't include the outside-owned. Always wait and see.

Oh, and just for my own understanding, is Virgin the only bit of circumstantial evidence that appetizers getting dropped, or was there something else?

 

[DBorges]

And if you remember, that wasn't just rumor. There were actually published lists of DDP restaurants that didn't include the outside-owned. Always wait and see.

Oh, and just for my own understanding, is Virgin the only bit of circumstantial evidence that appetizers getting dropped, or was there something else?

You are right!!!!!!! that is it nothing else anywhere..

 

[JimMIA]

...must be my law enforcement nature

Now you're really starting to scare me, David. I had no idea we had similar backgrounds!

The Sox will still beat the Yankees

I have no problem with that.

Hell we may even win the World series again lol how that for a rumor

I can give you some advice based on our experience with the Florida Marlins.

Don't get carried away with winning a World Series -- you only win one every 5-6 years!

Lemme see: Opening day of the franchise 1993...World Series Champs 1997...World Series Champs 2003...hmmm, maybe not this year...

 

[JimMIA]

Let's not forget that last year the big issue was that the non-disney owned restaurant were not going to re-sign with disney to be included on the DDP for 2007 as they were losing money. Many people jumped on that band wagon.

Actually, when the first brochure went to press, a bunch of newbies panicked and started a bunch of threads freaking out because a LOT of restaurants were not in the brochure. Other people were counseling those folks to just relax, because the lineup would be the same. And sure enough, those wise souls were right.

Those wise souls from last year are the same people who are saying the rumors are right this year.

I think Sammie's post above is worth re-reading and remembering. There are always many, many people in the Disney organization who are not privy to every decision made. There are, after all, 65,000 employees at WDW alone.

But just because not everyone is in the loop yet, doesn't mean decisions haven't been made...and communicated to important partners.

Personally, I would love to see DDP remain as it is...with a modest price increase if necessary. But I do not think that is what is going to happen...or has already happened, depending on where you sit.

 

[patsal]

Same number of scoops but much richer.

For the coffee company that is.

Yeah, I know, but I don't have to like it! Just like the new more absorbant paper towels that I need to pay more for less of, etc. I know it is wait and see, I know there are other restaurants I like off site and will not mind returning to, but I did like the convienience. Now I can easily add days at Universal and Seaworld and not worry about wasting food credits though--gotta look for that silver lining!

 

[DBorges]

Now you're really starting to scare me, David. I had no idea we had similar backgrounds!

I have no problem with that.

I can give you some advice based on our experience with the Florida Marlins.

Don't get carried away with winning a World Series -- you only win one every 5-6 years!

Lemme see: Opening day of the franchise 1993...World Series Champs 1997...World Series Champs 2003...hmmm, maybe not this year...

Great minds think alike marlins that is a team?? lol


Yep I think we are all reading into this