Just spent e terrifying night on The Fantasy

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An ankle sprain is enough to send a CM home to heal. Not to diminish the fact that CM's were hurt, but they have to be healthy and free of injury to work on the ships.

Very true. I hope whoever it was heals up quickly and can get back to work. However and injury could happen to any CM or person on the ship in calm waters. Without knowing the injury or how it occured it doesnt seem like it should be totally pinned on the weather/ocean/captain or whatever. Hopefully a speedy recovery to the CM. :sick:
 
Otherwise, how did you enjoy your cruise?

Mike

:lmao: Yes they came through the Tropical Storm last night and it was rough. Thousands of people were able to make their flights without having to pay for changes or even when they would get on another plane. DD and friend got stuck in Houston returning from Costa Rica, didn't get out until the next night and only then because I was able to work my connections and get them re-routed then back.

We had this happen to us on our Mediterranean cruise in 2010, seas so bad first night the closet doors were opening and slamming throughout the ship, you were not allowed on deck and could hardly walk down the hall. Don't know why it was not scary though, guess we have too much ship time and to trusting.
 
Before those of you (whom weren't on this cruise) start flaming and speaking critically to the people posting concerns, please try to put yourselves in some of our shoes and use a bit of compassion. That is what truly was lacking onboard the Fantasy this week. We could use a bit.

Well said. There is so much speculation on this thread and it's ridiculous. I'm sure if there was any mistake made or anyone seriously hurt, it will come out. Regardless, it's a shame ya'll had to go through it and thankfully everyone is okay.



stop the whining you had rough seas big deal move on

Where you on this ship? Or are you sitting behind your computer making assumptions?
 
McNabrat said:
My family and I were on this cruise and are thankfully home safe and sound. So far, from what I've read, there has been a lot of criticism/disappointment with the decision the captain made in coming to port this morning. What's done is done, it was a very unfortunate experience for many of us and most of all, the first time cruisers on board. Not an ideal way to spend thousands of dollars .

Personally, I clearly understood my "risk" so to speak of cruising during Hurricane season. Weather is not anything that can be controlled, this has been reiterated over and over and over...believe me. What can be controlled however, is the information that is passed on to the concerned passengers. Yes, we may have a a highly qualified and experienced captain but the vast majority of passengers do not have that privilege and depth of his knowledge. We were basically told to stay in our rooms and hold on. That is quite frightening to parents, not to mention the many children that are onboard and scared to death. My 6 year old son said this- and I quote "I'm too young to die". That was the level of fear our family encountered last night.

Before those of you (whom weren't on this cruise) start flaming and speaking critically to the people posting concerns, please try to put yourselves in some of our shoes and use a bit of compassion. That is what truly was lacking onboard the Fantasy this week. We could use a bit.

I cannot imagine ho terrifying it must have been for your family. I am glad that you made it back safely.
 
I still need to digest just how terrifying last night was, but I'm very disappointed in the captain and Disney for the decisions made. First, we should not have approached so close to the storm. Carnival made the correct decision to stay away and just delay the cruises by one day. Disney should have done the same. It was clear Disney was more concerned with getting us back to port canaveral than it was with passenger comfort. I have been on many cruises and many storms, including 100mph winds. I have never felt a ship shake like this. It was literally the equivalent of some of the worst turbulence I've ever experienced on a plane. The shops are a mess, everything fell off our shelves, glasses went flying. As a lover of the amazing feats these ships can do, I'm sure we were never in actual danger (my understanding is the ships can list 45 degrees), but I want to convey how absolutely horrible the motion was.

Second, lets talk about the captain. He doesn't know how to tell people that everything is ok. During dinner, the ship was rocking a bit (but boy was that nothing compared to what the night would hold), and the captain came on and said essentially: hey, it's rocky - be careful. The dining room erupted in laughter, shocked by the captains seeming inability to convey what needed to conveyed - that everything would be ok, don't worry. 5 minutes later, the cruise director came on to say he was with the captain and our safety was priority number 1. This should have come from the captain, but oh well.

Lets now fast forward to around 12:45. The ship just went through something fierce. I don't know how far we listed, but we had a really bad couple waves. And it's not just listing - like I said it felt like turbulence. The captain come on, over the speakers in the stateroom to say to stay in your stateroom the waves are bad. 5 minutes later (someone must have told the captain that he needed to do more to reassure the passengers), he comes on again to say the ship is safe.

Again, I don't doubt that the ship was safe (hey, we made it), but we should have never gone through seas like that - not when we could have just delayed our return. Disney's number 1 priority may have been safety, but it was not comfort and everyone on this ship (including crew) was terrified last night. Disney/Captain made a poor choice last night. I have to believe that if they knew how bad it was going to be, they would have made a different decision.

(And, so people don't accuse me of just selfishly wanting another day on board, I have something I have to be at back home on Sunday, and missing it would be very bad - that is the one good thing about going through that storm.

Another thing is that the Fantasy is less than a year old and they kinda need to know how the ship will react in such conditions. I hate to say that y'all may have been the Guinea pigs for testing it, but it's a chance anyone who sails during Hurricane season faces. I'm glad y'all are safe, but honestly the Captain made the decisions he felt were reasonable for the conditions.

As for the language he used… He's a tad.. well foreign… and English is not his first language I believe… so the Cruise Director can take the PA and explain things further… During rough seas the Captain has many things to take care of, so the CD who doesn't really do anything in rough seas can make announcements… and cut Tom some slack on the English…
 
zacaronius said:
Very true. I hope whoever it was heals up quickly and can get back to work. However and injury could happen to any CM or person on the ship in calm waters. Without knowing the injury or how it occured it doesnt seem like it should be totally pinned on the weather/ocean/captain or whatever. Hopefully a speedy recovery to the CM. :sick:

Without giving away private info....the only other thing I will say is that it WAS caused by the storm.

What I don't understand is that I was replying to someone who had basically said that if no one was hurt or killed, then it was no big deal. So I'd learned that people were hurt, reported it, and I'm being doubted? Why would I lie?
 
maria-fan-22 said:
Another thing is that the Fantasy is less than a year old and they kinda need to know how the ship will react in such conditions. I hate to say that y'all may have been the Guinea pigs for testing it, but it's a chance anyone who sails during Hurricane season faces. I'm glad y'all are safe, but honestly the Captain made the decisions he felt were reasonable for the conditions.

As for the language he used… He's a tad.. well foreign… and English is not his first language I believe… so the Cruise Director can take the PA and explain things further… During rough seas the Captain has many things to take care of, so the CD who doesn't really do anything in rough seas can make announcements… and cut Tom some slack on the English…

Captain Tom can speak plenty well enough to have said more to the passengers. I wasn't there, I don't know what he said or didn't say.....but it's interesting to see all the excuses being given, for him and DCL.
I agree with what someone else said, if another cruise line forced their passengers to go through that storm, DISers would be all over it, criticizing.
 
And? How many people actually NEED to board a ship nowadays?

I compare this to an airline captain deciding to fly through heavy weather. If I'm traveling for work and need to get there on the day when my flight is scheduled, and if they can fly the plane through whatever weather is out there and get me there without endangering my safety, you know what? I expect them to do it. That's what I pay them for. And if people on the plane have never been in heavy turbulence and are scared and don't want to fly anymore after the flight, I'm sorry, but I still expect them to get me where I need to go.

good comparing I say. I hate flying in bad storm weather. Worst flight I had it was stormy, but I guess good enough to fly, it was the worst turbulence ever(for me anyway, I'm chicken), I said I would never fly again(yeah that didn't happen, I still fly)
 
McNabrat said:
My family and I were on this cruise and are thankfully home safe and sound. So far, from what I've read, there has been a lot of criticism/disappointment with the decision the captain made in coming to port this morning. What's done is done, it was a very unfortunate experience for many of us and most of all, the first time cruisers on board. Not an ideal way to spend thousands of dollars .

Personally, I clearly understood my "risk" so to speak of cruising during Hurricane season. Weather is not anything that can be controlled, this has been reiterated over and over and over...believe me. What can be controlled however, is the information that is passed on to the concerned passengers. Yes, we may have a a highly qualified and experienced captain but the vast majority of passengers do not have that privilege and depth of his knowledge. We were basically told to stay in our rooms and hold on. That is quite frightening to parents, not to mention the many children that are onboard and scared to death. My 6 year old son said this- and I quote "I'm too young to die". That was the level of fear our family encountered last night.

Before those of you (whom weren't on this cruise) start flaming and speaking critically to the people posting concerns, please try to put yourselves in some of our shoes and use a bit of compassion. That is what truly was lacking onboard the Fantasy this week. We could use a bit.

I agree. Feel terrible for those that had so much fear for themselves and their children. Glad you are home safe.
 
dlhvac said:
according to that the max wave height recorded was 8.1 meters:smokin:

One storm that we cruised through (there was no way the ship could avoid it) we had waves of 12-15 feet.
 
Captain Tom can speak plenty well enough to have said more to the passengers. I wasn't there, I don't know what he said or didn't say.....but it's interesting to see all the excuses being given, for him and DCL.
I agree with what someone else said, if another cruise line forced their passengers to go through that storm, DISers would be all over it, criticizing.

Rough weather is rough all over… I know I wouldn't have been criticizing as long as the passengers remain safe… not dead = safe… an ankle sprain is pretty good considering one can get those walking around down town… I believe that the ship was safe and people need to realize that when they take a cruise on a moving vessel in the middle of hurricane season, the ship may move…DCL can only do so much… If they captain is able to get back to port, then why shouldn't he?
 
wvdcl cruisers said:
Thanks for the info Truck1....I'm sure I can't even imagine all of the engineering that goes into how the ship is balanced for weight distribution, etc....would they perform a load calculation for every trip to confirm the ship is "weighted" correctly for a smoother ride while at sea, or do they simply rely on deploying the stabilizers once under way? I defintely noticed more "nose up / down" motion from our trip a few weeks ago aboard the Fantasy as compared to our Dream trip last year.

Your welcome. They do load calculations before each trip and during the trip. During a trip several times a day. The reason is that during a trip the ship burns off fuel and it needs to be transferred from bunker to bunker to keep the ship level. There are dedicated tanks that can be filled with sea water if necessary. A ship performs best under a certain parameters and that's what the chief engineer shoots for in port and during a cruise. Its kind of a balancing act.

A ships stabilizers only work on side to side motion. Not much can be done with the bow up/down motion. Speed will also cause a more pronounced movement.
 
I disagree. I don't believe for a moment that the passengers were in danger. Those who have no knowledge of seas like were experienced last night were terrified, no doubt, but that comes from fear of the unknown. What is and what are perceived are two entirely different things. My nephew who has aspergers believes his life is in danger during fireworks shows but it doesn't make the fireworks shows an actual risk to his life.

If Disney had delayed docking they most certainly would have had to explain themselves to all the cruisers who paid for a 7-nigh cruise and were receiving a 6-night. You don't think those people would've been upset or demand compensation?

Again, sometimes you just gotta pick the lesser of the evils. The passengers onboard last night were uncomfortable and many were scared but a few hours of discomfort avoids a train-wreck of a mess to handle. I think they did the right thing.
The bad PR will insure that. If they wait one day they only have to deal with 8000 people. All of which, like me, came be bought. No bad press. Did this make any national news if so its a extremely bad decision. DLC management was involved in decision. Capt. Has final call but I am sure he told management it was going to rough ride.

Hope we do not have winter storms in Gulf w/o 2/9/13 I will be on Magic out of Galveston.

So how many have ever done a white buckle air plane ride. I remember one on Southwest coming from Orlando, we were at WDW, flew home. We were hardly off the ground and the pilot came on and said hold on it going to be rough ride to N.O. And he was telling the truth.
 
With all do respect to those of you commenting on this, I was on that ship last night with my children, husband, and mother, and it was by far the most terrifying experience of my life, and I an experienced cruiser and boat owner. Let me say we had a FABULOUS cruise and were MOST impressed with the cast members and ship up until the decision to depart St Thomas on Wednesday night and chase the hurricane back to the port. None of cared about missing Castaway, disappointed yes, but we all understood the itinerary change, but then everything changed, here is a short review.

First of all, I applaud the Captain and crew for sailing us through the storm safely. This is not the question at hand. The question on the table is why the heck were we sailing into hurricane force winds when we didn't HAVE to. We went into the storm, it didn't develop around us. None of us are as clueless as some of you are commenting on that it is hurricane season, and none of us blame DCL for the weather, please. However, the consensus on that ship between most of the passengers I spoke with and many of the crew was that it was NOT necessary to try to navigate that storm to return and we would have all traded a delay for the trauma we experienced last night and the last 2 days. (for those of you not on the boat, a retired naval captain I was with stated the winds were 80+ MPH last night and 40 ft waves were crashing over the bow of the ship all night as well). It was nearly impossible to stand.

Second, there were injuries, many, among the crew and guests. I walked down to the atrium at about 2:00 am. I was talking to an officer, with multiple stripes on her shoulders at guest services, she was reassuring, we sat down to talk (as I was very nervous and was seeking reassurance), when the 2 of the worst hits occurred. In that moment, the dishes, chairs, tables, ALL of the merchandise in the gift shops, the desks, bottles, everything crashed, it was the loudest sound, breaking glass everywhere, people falling and screaming. This officer looked at me with more fear in her eyes and said she had never experienced this before (this sentiment was repeated by MOST crew - the worst they had ever experienced!). She and I walked back to my staircase where I then returned to my cabin to find my family. I spent the entire night (as did MANY of the guests I spoke with) in tears, in prayer, trying to calm my family and myself. I realize this may sound dramatic to some of you, but unless you were on that ship last night, please do not judge those of us that were.

Communication: Cruise Director Ray did a fabulous job of updating us and was reassuring. The Captain and Ray came into our cabins repeatedly for the last two days, including multiple times last night to try and reassure us. We spent 3 hours standing in the atrium this morning waiting to disembark the ship - this is where the communication stopped. People were already shaken, exhausted, concerned about flights, sick (yes, vomiting everywhere for 2 days - thankfully my family and I do not experience motion sickness, but our hearts went out the the guest and crew, many of whom were very ill for the last 2 days), and we stood there, for 2-3 hours, there was chaos, there were no directions on when to come down, when we were getting off, how, it was beyond ridiculous. This is were I just lost it. I am so disappointed.

I sell the Disney product proudly, I bleed Disney and am a true believer in the magic... people, let me tell you, DCL has completely lost my trust in keeping my family safe, period. You spend 2 days with the last 10 hours of that in a hurricane looking into your families eyes and feeling crazy for putting thier safety in the hands of people who think that it's ok to sail INTO a hurricane to stay on schedule, that is what it boiled down to. And spare me the 'ship can handle it' and 'it was still safe' speech, it was NOT safe, people were terrified, falling, and in danger. I don't care how well built that ship was, it doesn't mean DCL should field test it's sea worthiness with my family on board, shame on them, Mr. Disney would be disgusted with the decision they made to put us in harms way, and that is exactly what happened. It will be a long time before I can step on a cruise ship again, which is so sad, because we LOVE cruising, but I can't imagine ever being that terrified again, especially with my children and family with us.

God bless those of you on the east coast in the path of the storm, we will keep you in our thoughts and prayers.
 
maria-fan-22 said:
Rough weather is rough all over… I know I wouldn't have been criticizing as long as the passengers remain safe… not dead = safe… an ankle sprain is pretty good considering one can get those walking around down town… I believe that the ship was safe and people need to realize that when they take a cruise on a moving vessel in the middle of hurricane season, the ship may move…DCL can only do so much… If they captain is able to get back to port, then why shouldn't he?

It wasn't an ankle sprain.
And I think that if the other cruise lines avoided it, DCL should have too.
And like a few of us have said, if DCL diverted and the others didn't, people here would be criticizing them like crazy.
 
Broken bones.

You're wasting your breath. The pixie dust colored glasses are going to be out in full force on this one.

I was caught in that freak Nor'easter that came down the coast last October. We were on the CCL Fascination trying to get back from the Bahamas and it was AWFUL!! That was the day that CCL kept the Sensation in port and DCL kept the Dream in port (both in Port Canaveral, we were headed to JAX). Neither cared if they pi$$ed off a few pax, it was dangerous. RCI set sail and a bunch of pax got injured. I wonder what changed in DCL's thought process in the course of a year.

While "Captain Tom" did not put the ship in danger of capsizing last night, there were plenty of other cruise lines whose ships were in basically the same areas, or heading to the same places, who made the decision to keep their pax away from the worst of this storm. DCL did not. Period. But you aren't going to get the Disney faithful to entertain the idea that they might have made a poor decision.
 
Some of the waves listed were very steep which could account for the banging noise and the stuff flying about the cabins but in no way was the ship in danger the first buoy was 20 nautical miles east of pc the other was 100nm east se of port caniveral . the steepness of the waves and the short time between them accounts for all the fun everyone had but an 1100 foot oceangoing vessel such as the fantasy would be in no danger of anything in those wave heights. link to national data buoy center check for yourself
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/

again, I agree the ship can handle it, but is that what DCL thinks is a quality decision, to put their guests into sea conditions like this, please, it's not a roller coaster we lined up to go on? The question isn't whether the ship was capable, the question is why did they decision makers deem it necessarily and 'OK' to put the guests and crew in a very perilous, frightening situation, that is NOT the customer service us Disney fans are used to or what we paid for. Rough seas, yeh, no problem, I actually enjoy this on the multiple cruises we have experienced it. This was not rough seas, this was terrifying, I think we are going to die, people are in the halls with their life jackets on, seas. Our security and comfort was not considered, and again, unless you were on that ship, none of you have any idea how incredibly rough it was, please have some compassion, we are all still very shaken!
 
dont believe everything people tell you tallest recorded wave was 30.5 foot 58 knott windspeed was around top you did not sail into the full storm you sailed into the edge of it stop being scared

you are correct, we were on the edge of the storm, and if I may testify, that I don't care if it's a 30 ft or 40 ft wave, HELLO - 30 ft waves, when we could have stayed away from them, ridiculous. Try telling my kids and the other terrified passengers AND CREW that even a 30 ft wave is ok - unbelievable.
 
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