I guess I'm surprised people are making it sound like their corral is being assigned with an estimated finish time, and not a proof of time?
That was really just my speculation, it sounds like that's not the case. It just doesn't make sense that my friend and I could submit nearly the same proof of time and be in such far apart corrals (J & N) unless something got missed along the way.
Maybe I am missing something in the chain here... I thought that estimated times were the primary sort for corrals, especially those who offered a proof at registration. The only way that a proof of time would override an estimate would be if the proof does not support the estimate; either way. e.g. a 4 hour estimated full is not supported by a 3 hour half. The final sort would be those who put NA in the estimated time slot then offered a proof later. I know that when I run with friends and family and we enter at the same time, we put our estimated times at the same time and have always been in the same corral regardless of the proof.
It appears on the runDisney website they are starting to add in the estimated times with the corrals. I'm assuming because of all the calls and emails that they received about corral placement.
I have no complaints. I was surprised at the L placement, but I wasn't going to fight it. Now looking at the 5 hour ETA for K and 6 hour for M, I think maybe they were a little generous in my placement.
It's interesting because now we can kind of see the "Dopey Penalty." My 2:06 Half POT would have put me in the F or G corral if I were running the Half only, but I'm in the I corral for Dopey, so it's a 2-3 corral penalty.
Instead of being with people running 9:30/mile I'll be starting with people running 13:30/mile. My overall pace when including time that it takes for meeting characters will end up being around 12:30 but when I'm actually running I'll be closer to 11:00/mile, which is about the pace I'd run if I weren't stopping at all, and well slower than the 9:30 I'd run if I were running the Half by itself.
It seems like the penalty is a little too steep. I would think 1-2 minutes/mile max would have sufficed.
I don't think a 4:30 marathon equates to a 13:30 pace. It matches a 10:30 pace. Looking at the chart, that is where they have you placed--between 4:00 and 5:00. My placement (L) equates to 11:50 pace which is totally not in my comfort zone. My submitted half was at a 13 m/mile pace, but I submitted a 5 hour estimated time, because prior to that half I had 2 10Ks at an 11 min/mile pace plus I was injured for that half.
I was looking at the Half Marathon corrals. Corral I is just in front of the 3:00 corral, so assuming Corral I will be around 2:55 it should be a pace somewhere around 13:25/mile.
It seems the penalty for the Half Marathon is far greater than the penalty for the Marathon. Why would they assume a nearly 4 minute/mile penalty for the half marathon, but almost no penalty for the full marathon?
I think the most likely reason is because in the training plans for the Goofy and Dopey, Jeff Galloway suggests that runners slow their paces for the half to be able to run strong for the full.
I'm using the Galloway training plans, and my walk segments are 14:00/mile. I don't think he's advocating walking the entire actual half, although that's what he recommends in training.
I think a more balanced expectation of pace would have been wiser by runDisney than this. I don't even run my long slow training runs at 13:25/mile.
Submitted Half Marathon POT: 9:35/mile
Half Marathon Corral I Pace: 13:25/mile
Marathon Corral I Pace: 10:20/mile
I'm using the Galloway training plans, and my walk segments are 14:00/mile. I don't think he's advocating walking the entire actual half, although that's what he recommends in training.
I think a more balanced expectation of pace would have been wiser by runDisney than this. I don't even run my long slow training runs at 13:25/mile.
Submitted Half Marathon POT: 9:35/mile
Half Marathon Corral I Pace: 13:25/mile
Marathon Corral I Pace: 10:20/mile
Where are you seeing these? I don't think that is true for the Half "I" corral. I'm in K (two corrals back), and have faster estimated and proof times for the half. Maybe more along the lines of 12:20/mile. I know, still not where you wanted to be, but not 13:25.
I'm using the Galloway training plans, and my walk segments are 14:00/mile. I don't think he's advocating walking the entire actual half, although that's what he recommends in training.
I think a more balanced expectation of pace would have been wiser by runDisney than this. I don't even run my long slow training runs at 13:25/mile.
Submitted Half Marathon POT: 9:35/mile
Half Marathon Corral I Pace: 13:25/mile
Marathon Corral I Pace: 10:20/mile
Where are you seeing these? I don't think that is true for the Half "I" corral. I'm in K (two corrals back), and have faster estimated and proof times for the half. Maybe more along the lines of 12:20/mile. I know, still not where you wanted to be, but not 13:25.