Rhine River Cruise Meets Thread

Has anyone done the pre-nights in BSL. I have booked two, but considering flying into Zurich and spending a night there before heading on via train to Basel for one more pre night. Thanks
 
It looks pretty much identical to the AmaViola, as I'd heard it was, just with a different color scheme. But apparently our dining experience was far superior to his.

I was quite surprised by that! The desserts were still making me drool though. :D
 
We are seriously considering this for 2018, probably the July 30 departure. I was looking at trying to combine a Disney cruise with this...like doing the July 22 BCN to Dover repositioning cruise and then flying from Dover to Basel (I see easyjet does this...). Am I...trying to do too much? It would be me and my 12 year old daughter. It would be her 4th trip to Europe. I lived in London for a while and have toured pretty extensively, so feel fairly confident that this is doable, but also have never done ABD.
 


We are seriously considering this for 2018, probably the July 30 departure. I was looking at trying to combine a Disney cruise with this...like doing the July 22 BCN to Dover repositioning cruise and then flying from Dover to Basel (I see easyjet does this...). Am I...trying to do too much? It would be me and my 12 year old daughter. It would be her 4th trip to Europe. I lived in London for a while and have toured pretty extensively, so feel fairly confident that this is doable, but also have never done ABD.

I think that sounds wonderful-if she doesn't want to go I will :)

We're actually doing the Dover to BCN repositioning cruise this year, then the Rhine Cruise in December. I like the idea of doing them together (one less flight!) but DH can't be away from work that long. I say-go for it!
 
For those who have traveled on the Rhine River this year, how many kids are on the boat? Watching the Video review above only showed adults. We booked for July 9th next year (2018) and have a 11 year old. We are concerned there wont be other kids for him to meet. We did the Germany tour last year and had a nice balance of kids and adults. Any feedback from those who traveled would be great to hear!
 
For those who have traveled on the Rhine River this year, how many kids are on the boat? Watching the Video review above only showed adults. We booked for July 9th next year (2018) and have a 11 year old. We are concerned there wont be other kids for him to meet. We did the Germany tour last year and had a nice balance of kids and adults. Any feedback from those who traveled would be great to hear!
The only Rhine River cruise to go so far (the one in the review) is the DVC only cruise. There won't be another Rhine River cruise until mid June. I wouldn't base any judgements on a specialty cruise that's not during the summer.

I took the Danube cruise last July, and there was a fair number of kids (not tons, but I'm guessing maybe 40?) I really wouldn't worry about it, especially based on that video.

Also, you can call ABD, and they will give you a breakdown of how many kids there are in each age group for your departure.

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This looks awesome! thanks for posting. I wish we were going this July instead of next.:sad1:
 
Has anyone done the pre-nights in BSL. I have booked two, but considering flying into Zurich and spending a night there before heading on via train to Basel for one more pre night. Thanks

We are flying into Zurich on Friday and taking the train to Basel on Saturday to meet the ship. I was in Zurich last summer for 2 nights by myself and am looking forward to spending the day there with my kids. We are staying at the Schweitzerhof which is right across the street from the train station.

The trains in Switzerland are extremely efficient and very easy to use.
 
We are flying into Zurich on Friday and taking the train to Basel on Saturday to meet the ship. I was in Zurich last summer for 2 nights by myself and am looking forward to spending the day there with my kids. We are staying at the Schweitzerhof which is right across the street from the train station.

The trains in Switzerland are extremely efficient and very easy to use.

Any recommendations to do in Zurich. For background: no kids, like history, art, architecture, food. Thanks
 
Any recommendations to do in Zurich. For background: no kids, like history, art, architecture, food. Thanks

I don't know how long you will be there.

For 1 day I'd go up the local hill (easy to reach by train), hike up to the restaurant, grab a bite and soak in the views. There is an observation tower that you can climb up (small fee) which affords nice views. From here there are all kinds of hiking trails that you can take.

Walk to old town and stroll the street. Walk the main street down to the water. I did a cycling tour which was okay (the guide was very vocally politically biased which affected my enjoyment).

If you have more than 1 day then I'd recommend taking the train to Lucerne or heading to Mount Pilatus. Both easy day trips. You could *probably* do both if you left Zurich early, didn't spend long at Pilatus and took a late train from Lucern to Zurich.

I plan on heading to the Swatch store in Zurich to get my daughter a watch (they have watches you can only get in Switzerland).

Enjoy!
 
I am sorry it has taken me so long to reply with some thoughts on the cruise!! The first week was busy getting back into the swing of things at work, and last week I was sick with a cold so I was just doing the bare minimum and was not online.

OhanaCuz - thank you for posting that video! I know exactly who filmed it because I was actually in some of the shots - you can see me looking at the castles along the Rhine with my binoculars at the front of the ship when he was filming that part. I actually very much disagree with his comments on the food - I found dinner to be MUCH better than breakfast and lunch so it just goes to show how people's tastes can be so different.
I am going to try to give some general thoughts on the ABD Rhine River Cruise and then I will do a quick trip report with some pictures (if I can figure out how to post them!) so I can talk about the trip and the excursions we chose in more detail. Overall, like I said when I was on the cruise, I thought it was fabulous and would wholeheartedly recommend it. This trip was my first ABD trip so I know it is not the typical ABD experience. I will say that I was more impressed by AMA Waterways than I was by the ABD guides, even though I thought the guides were great. We just had such a high level of service with the AMA Kristina staff that even the wonderful job by the ABD guides paled a bit in comparison.

I also want to add that it was quite clear this was sort of a training trip. I do think they planned this ABD trip to be DVC exclusive so they could work through some kinks on more "devoted" Disney fans who may not revolt up against the brand when things went a bit haywire. The guides had done a land run-through about two weeks before the start of the trip, but this was their first time on the boat as well so the timing of all the excursions was very different when they were going to each place by bus. There were some bus snafus and timing got messed up on some of the tours, but I do think that most of these issues will be resolved by the time the Rhine cruises start up again. There were a few ABD executives on the cruise - including the exec who designed the Rhine River cruise and the exec in charge of the European ABDs - and we had a VP for DVC who actually came up with the idea for Adventures by Disney. There was at least one ABD exec on every excursion so I will be curious to see what changes, if any, to the excursions will happen.

Embarkation
We flew in a day before the cruise and booked a pre-night through ABD so we used ABD transfers from the Basel airport to the Radisson Blu. In regards to the luggage questions, they say one large piece of luggage and one hand luggage allowed. Most people I noticed followed this, but even so there was not enough room for all the people and all the luggage in the transfer from the airport so they needed to bring another car. There were about 40 other people staying at the Radisson Blu the night before. The ABD guides actually did not show up in the lobby until the morning of the cruise, so I wonder if they will have any earlier meet and greets for the other cruises. You can choose to take a bus from the hotel at noon, take a bus from the hotel at 3, or make your own way to the ship. If you choose to make your own way to the ship you can actually get on the ship as early as 9 am, but you will not be able to access your room until around 3-4 pm. It is actually quite easy to make your way to the ship - just take 11 tram to St. Johanns-Tor and you can walk two blocks to the river to the cruise terminal. We chose to take the bus over at 12 just to see the ship and then head out to explore Basel some more. You needed to be on the boat by 5 pm that day. If you have certain excursions in mind, I would recommend getting on the ship by noon so you can choose your excursions first. One thing I found interesting is that certain excursions have a max number allowed so if you want until later in the day you may not get your first choice. Even the evening tours had a cut-off amount so we had some members of our traveling party that were not able to join initially (they added another bus so everyone who wanted to could go, but they couldn't confirm that bus until day of). I thought it was a bit odd because I had read on the ABD Danube cruises that you could change your excursions - but we were told that you couldn't change them after the first day because they needed to finalize amounts with the outside vendors.

Ship
As I said, we were only the second cruise ever on the AmaKristina so everything was so shiny and new! To the point that when my showed fogged up in the morning, I could still see the numbers of my stateroom that must have been on the glass for the installation. The crew was great and really got to know you by name. They all work so hard and I felt a bit bad that we could not tip them - I really hope that ABD gave them big tips for all of us. You can get a pretty good idea of the ship from that video of the decks and the layout. There is an elevator and set of staircases in the middle of the ship so you can get up and down the three main decks. To get up the sundeck you need to take the stairs on either side of the main lobby, so you would not be able to take the elevator up to the sundeck.

From the bottom up: "Piano Deck": I did not use the hair salon (although some other women did and their hair looked great) and I did not use the massage room (they offer a jetlag massage that in hindsight I wish I had tried!) so I cannot attest to the prices. I did use the Fitness Room in the morning - it was very small but the equipment was great. I ran on the treadmill and used the resistance machine and used a yoga mat to do some quick vinyasa and stretches. There is water and towels in the fitness room and spray to clean off the equipment when you are finished. It is available 24 hours a day but they request you be quiet in the morning and evenings. I had wanted to run on the jogging track on the sundeck but they ask you not to use it before 8 am or after 10 pm, so it was difficult when you are busy all day to find the time. "Cello Deck": has staterooms and the main restaurant. "Violin Deck": has the Chef's Table restaurant in the Aft, then staterooms, then you can down a set of stairs to get to the reception, gift shop, library, and main lounge and bar. The reception is staffed 24 hours a day and you will pick up your colored cards for the excursions there. You can also sign up for the Chef's Table restaurant at reception. The area to the port side of reception has postcards (if you use the provided amawaterways postcards they will post them for free), a map of all the Ama ships, and leads to the library. The area to the starboard side of reception leads to the gift shop and a little coffee area where you can get coffee or tea 24 hours a day. In the lounge, the bar is open from 9 am on and you can pretty much get drinks at any time in the lounge that you just charge to your room. There are some very light snacks in the lounge all day and in the afternoon they put out tea sandwiches and cakes. At 10:30 pm each evening they have some hot food (they sadly went uneaten because most people were asleep or not hungry!) You will have all the welcome and farewell receptions in the lounge, and at night there is entertainment (some nights we listened to the piano player there, other nights we had outside groups come to sing and perform, and other nights we had karaoke or watched movies). "Sun Deck": there is a ton of outdoor space to sit and enjoy the scenery (weather permitting). The pool is heated but is more of a dunk pool (I think I did two stroked to get from one end to the other. But it was a lovely perk. The sun deck is particularly delightful when watching all the castles as you sail through the Rhine gorge but it is super windy!

Restaurants
The AmaKristina has the main restaurant and the Chef's Table and I thought both were very tasty. "Main Dining Room": At breakfast, they serve buffet style with pastries, breads, fruits, cereals, and some hot items served in chafing dishes and an omelet station. You can also order certain hot items directly from your waiter (which is why I ate eggs benedict practically every day!). Lunch is similar to breakfast in that you had buffet style with salads, some hot items, and desserts available. You can also order entrees from the waiter if you wanted an additional hot entree. You can order wine, beer, or soft drinks from your waiter as well. Dinner was more formal and probably lasted at least an hour and a half each night. You have three options for appetizers, two salad options, two soup options, three entree options, and three dessert options. The entrees tended to have one meat, one fish, and one vegetarian option. Each night they pick a red and white wine local to the region for you to choose from, and they also have some American wines if you prefer those. They are generous with the pours so plan accordingly! I thought the food was delicious and the only frustrating part was having to rush through dinner if you wanted to go on one of the evening tours. European dining can be very different than American dining so if you have some time constraints please share them with your wait staff! There is open seating with more tables set up for 4 or 6. I was part of a party of 7, so we had one person go down a bit early each night to get a spot that would fit 7. There are two wine rooms to the port and starboard sides of the main restaurants - those rooms are usually used for the junior adventurers to eat with the adventure guides but we only had about 10 junior adventurers on this ship so the bigger groups were able to use the other wine room. "Chef's Table": You can book the chef's table every night of the cruise - it accommodates around 24 people (4 tables for 4 and 1 table for 8). It is a tasting menu so you have no choices but if you have allergies you will just let the staff know. I loved the Chef's Table but some members of my party did not like the "tasting" portions. Some of the flavors were very interesting - like the cheddar chili sorbet - but I enjoyed tasting it all! The Chef's Table has its own recommended wines, but you will not have a separate wine for each course like at Victoria and Albert's. It was also wonderful to look out the windows in the back of the ship and watch the shore as you float down the Rhine while tasting such delicious food - the Chef's Table has floor to ceiling windows.

Rooms
My parents were in a suite, I was in an AA cabin, another couple in our traveling party was in an AA cabin, and the last couple was in a CA. We were all on the Violin Deck. I think the AA cabins had more than enough room and while mine did not include the 3rd person sleeper chair, I think if there was a 3rd person there still would have been enough room. The couple in the CA cabin say that if they did the trip again they would choose an AA cabin for the extra room - but for the amount of time you are in your room, I still think that the CA cabin would be adequate. The bathroom in the CA cabin was angled so you had a smaller space and there was no balcony. I actually used the french balcony more than I used my regular balcony - I liked have the windows open on the juliet balcony in the morning as I got ready. In each room, there were two usb ports in the night stand next to the bed and one "American" plug by the bed. The other plugs were all European voltage (and note - the plugs were for northern Europe). Each room (other than the suites) has a large sized closet for hanging clothes and another closet with shelves. You have a safe in the shelf closet to lock up your valuables. There are three umbrellas hanging in the closet. You should be able to smoosh your luggage under your bed and put your clothes away if you want to settle in as there is a large amount of storage space. In the bathroom there are some shelves above the sink for storage and cupboards underneath the sink to hide your toiletries. The bathroom also has a hairdryer, and if you need a hair curler you can request one from reception. There is also a refrigerator in cupboard next to the desk, which is replenished with water daily. There is an apple computer on the desk that acts as your internet and tv - I watched the Masters in German on the tv but otherwise just enjoyed the bow cam. You also get wifi all over the ship, but it can be a little wonky and does not work when you are going through the locks. The suites are the largest rooms on board and come with butler service. They are quite nice for entertaining because you have a separate living room area. The suites get fruit juices and sodas stocked in their refrigerators. Some other suite perks are room service (generally there is no room service in the other cabins unless you are ill) and free laundry service (the laundry service is actually quite reasonable if you wanted to pay, but it was so nice to get clothes pressed and washed each day - particularly after the horseback riding!) All the lights in the room are controlled by an ipad, and it was nice to have several real tvs in the room. The suites also have tons of storage space and an entire wall of closets - I will post some pictures when I start my trip reports just to give people ideas of the rooms. The rooms are serviced twice a day, usually while you are at breakfast and dinner, and I cannot speak highly enough of the cabin stewards, who work so hard!

ABD Portions in General
From what I can tell, ABD and AMA Waterways is a great partnership. On the gangplank when you enter the ship, there will be an AMA Waterways flag and an Adventures by Disney flag. Interestingly, three days into the cruise they removed the Adventures by Disney flag from the outside (right after a bomb was thrown at the Borrusia Dortmund bus on their way to the champions football match) so they are keenly aware of security issues. They did not put the flag back up the rest of the trip, so I am curious if they will have it out for the rest of the cruises. There are ABD welcome mats when you enter the ship and then a big sign saying "Adventures by Disney Rhine Cruise" to welcome you on the ship. As you saw in that video, the tea sandwiches and cookies are shaped with Mickey heads. But other than that, there is nothing overtly Disney on the ship.

We had 6 adventure guides, 3 of whom were on the Danube river cruise last year so will be familiar to those of you who took that cruise: Veronika (US), Betti (Germany), Kira (US), Andreas (Germany), Danny (US), and Byron (US) (Veronika, Betti, and Danny all did the Danube cruise). At least 5 of them will be doing the whole Rhine season (I was told Kira was pulled out of corporate to help out with this DVC ABD cruise so I do not know if she will be back). I imagine they will add some more guides for the summer cruises because we only had 110 passengers, including the ABD/DVC execs and the film crew (there was a 5 person film crew filming for the Disney Park blog, ABD, and DVC publications). I thought all the guides were lovely and I give them so much credit for being able to handle all the curveballs thrown out them from the logistics problems to dealing with guests' "humor". Also, Andreas had a family emergency so had to leave on Day 3 to go home. The other guides stepped in to fill in the gaps and while I think everything worked out for Andreas's family, he was not able to rejoin the trip. He should be on the summer trips, which is good because he was lovely and it is always helpful to have guides who speak with languages!

I can add more about the excursions I took and the impressions I got from other excursions in a later post. I will say that the benefit of doing an ABD river cruise, from what I can gather, is that there are more excursion options and more active excursions. Veronika said that the Rhine excursions are much more active than the Danube activities were, which was great for us but very exhausting. I think by the end people were dropping out of some of the evening excursions because they were exhausted! So just be aware that you will have very busy days. There was not a ton of time on the boat during the day, except for the afternoon you cruise up the Rhine gorge and the afternoon you sail from Cologne to Amsterdam. So you will get a bit of time to relax during the day if you wish. Also, you do not have to do any of the excursions - you can easily get a map from reception and explore on your own if you prefer.

Disembarkation
On Day 8, people start leaving the ship as early as 5 am. You are already docked in Amsterdam so you will disembark depending on your flight schedule. Depending on your flight, you will have a time to have your luggage outside and a time to get on your transfer. Fortunately, you just have to have your luggage out 2 hours before your transfer so you won't have to pack your bag up the night before like in a ocean cruise. For those doing the post-ABD add-on, you will leave on a bus at 8 am. We had a 1:20 pm flight so we did not leave the ship until around 11. You have to be out of your room by 9 am so we just relaxed in the lounge afterwards. I didn't want to leave!

Okay, I think I have babbled enough for now! I will add more about excursions in this thread and in the trip report I am planning to write - but I will answer any questions you had in the meantime as I am sure I am forgetting important information :-)
 
Thank you so much for your summary, @tiger04. Veronika told us over the holiday Danube she would be on all of the Rhine cruises, I'm hoping Betti will be with her over the holidays, too!

Really appreciate your taking the time to review this. It makes waiting until December even harder :)
 
Great report! Looking forward to hearing about the excursions. I'm very surprised that there was a limit in the number of people on certain excursions as choose whatever you want and flexibility to change your mind were big selling points.
 
Restaurants
The AmaKristina has the main restaurant and the Chef's Table and I thought both were very tasty. "Main Dining Room": At breakfast, they serve buffet style with pastries, breads, fruits, cereals, and some hot items served in chafing dishes and an omelet station. You can also order certain hot items directly from your waiter (which is why I ate eggs benedict practically every day!). Lunch is similar to breakfast in that you had buffet style with salads, some hot items, and desserts available. You can also order entrees from the waiter if you wanted an additional hot entree. You can order wine, beer, or soft drinks from your waiter as well. Dinner was more formal and probably lasted at least an hour and a half each night. You have three options for appetizers, two salad options, two soup options, three entree options, and three dessert options. The entrees tended to have one meat, one fish, and one vegetarian option. Each night they pick a red and white wine local to the region for you to choose from, and they also have some American wines if you prefer those. They are generous with the pours so plan accordingly! I thought the food was delicious and the only frustrating part was having to rush through dinner if you wanted to go on one of the evening tours. European dining can be very different than American dining so if you have some time constraints please share them with your wait staff! There is open seating with more tables set up for 4 or 6. I was part of a party of 7, so we had one person go down a bit early each night to get a spot that would fit 7. There are two wine rooms to the port and starboard sides of the main restaurants - those rooms are usually used for the junior adventurers to eat with the adventure guides but we only had about 10 junior adventurers on this ship so the bigger groups were able to use the other wine room. "Chef's Table": You can book the chef's table every night of the cruise - it accommodates around 24 people (4 tables for 4 and 1 table for 8). It is a tasting menu so you have no choices but if you have allergies you will just let the staff know. I loved the Chef's Table but some members of my party did not like the "tasting" portions. Some of the flavors were very interesting - like the cheddar chili sorbet - but I enjoyed tasting it all! The Chef's Table has its own recommended wines, but you will not have a separate wine for each course like at Victoria and Albert's. It was also wonderful to look out the windows in the back of the ship and watch the shore as you float down the Rhine while tasting such delicious food - the Chef's Table has floor to ceiling windows.
my trip reports just to give people ideas of the rooms. The rooms are serviced twice a day, usually while you are at breakfast and dinner, and I cannot speak highly enough of the cabin stewards, who work so hard!

Quick questions about the restaurants:
1) You mentioned Dinner was formal. How formal?
2) The chef's table: Do they mix smaller parties on the table of 8? I actually don't mind being mixed in, and would like to experience the chef's table but am either a party of 1 or 2 on this cruise.

Thanks
 
I don't know how long you will be there.

For 1 day I'd go up the local hill (easy to reach by train), hike up to the restaurant, grab a bite and soak in the views. There is an observation tower that you can climb up (small fee) which affords nice views. From here there are all kinds of hiking trails that you can take.

Walk to old town and stroll the street. Walk the main street down to the water. I did a cycling tour which was okay (the guide was very vocally politically biased which affected my enjoyment).

If you have more than 1 day then I'd recommend taking the train to Lucerne or heading to Mount Pilatus. Both easy day trips. You could *probably* do both if you left Zurich early, didn't spend long at Pilatus and took a late train from Lucern to Zurich.

I plan on heading to the Swatch store in Zurich to get my daughter a watch (they have watches you can only get in Switzerland).

Enjoy!
Appreciate the reply. prob 1-2 days.
 
I am planning 3 nights in Switzerland before the cruise, probably flying into Zurich. How would you recommend we spend that time if we want to spend at least one in Zermatt? For example, the hill, restaurant, and hiking you recommend for Zurich sounds very appealing, but would you still recommend that if we are going to Zermatt also? Thanks very much!

I don't know how long you will be there.

For 1 day I'd go up the local hill (easy to reach by train), hike up to the restaurant, grab a bite and soak in the views. There is an observation tower that you can climb up (small fee) which affords nice views. From here there are all kinds of hiking trails that you can take.

Walk to old town and stroll the street. Walk the main street down to the water. I did a cycling tour which was okay (the guide was very vocally politically biased which affected my enjoyment).

If you have more than 1 day then I'd recommend taking the train to Lucerne or heading to Mount Pilatus. Both easy day trips. You could *probably* do both if you left Zurich early, didn't spend long at Pilatus and took a late train from Lucern to Zurich.

I plan on heading to the Swatch store in Zurich to get my daughter a watch (they have watches you can only get in Switzerland).

Enjoy!
 
I am planning 3 nights in Switzerland before the cruise, probably flying into Zurich. How would you recommend we spend that time if we want to spend at least one in Zermatt? For example, the hill, restaurant, and hiking you recommend for Zurich sounds very appealing, but would you still recommend that if we are going to Zermatt also? Thanks very much!

Since I traveled by motor coach from Zermatt to Lucerne with ABD I don't know how long the trip is by train. Zermatt is MUCH prettier than Zurich so I'd spend a day and night there, 2 days total. This gives you a chance to see the Matterhorn in sunlight if one of the days happens to be cloudy. I'd also HIGHLY recommend staying at the Zermatterhof with a view of the Matterhorn. Worth every penny.

From Zermatt I'd head to Lucerne and spend a day there. It's a very picturesque city. I'd even contemplate an additional day in Lucerne to visit Pilatus - but the weather in the mountains is unpredictable, so you have a 50/50 chance of being able to make the ascent (they have cameras on the mountain so you can check the view before you get on the train). Then I'd travel by train to Basel. You can skip Zurich entirely as the two other cities are so much nicer.
 
@tiger04 thank you SO much for the review!

Hopefully they will allow everyone on board at least 1 dinner at the Captain's Table (as opposed to the same people signing up multiple times).

We are so excited for this trip. Betti is a fantastic guide -- we had her for our Central Europe trip 3 years ago. I am so glad she is still with ABD.

Questions: how many people did the post-cruise extension?
Was there a/c on the motor coaches? I read a review that said the ABD coaches were not as nice as some of the other cruise companies and at one point one of them had no a/c (it was broken).

I am also relieved to know that 3 people (2 of whom are at or over 5'11") will not be tripping all over each other in the room. My plan is to only sleep in the room and spend the rest of the time on the shaded portion of the deck :)
 
Since I traveled by motor coach from Zermatt to Lucerne with ABD I don't know how long the trip is by train. Zermatt is MUCH prettier than Zurich so I'd spend a day and night there, 2 days total. This gives you a chance to see the Matterhorn in sunlight if one of the days happens to be cloudy. I'd also HIGHLY recommend staying at the Zermatterhof with a view of the Matterhorn. Worth every penny.

From Zermatt I'd head to Lucerne and spend a day there. It's a very picturesque city. I'd even contemplate an additional day in Lucerne to visit Pilatus - but the weather in the mountains is unpredictable, so you have a 50/50 chance of being able to make the ascent (they have cameras on the mountain so you can check the view before you get on the train). Then I'd travel by train to Basel. You can skip Zurich entirely as the two other cities are so much nicer.


ah zermatt....it was gorgeous. i want to go back....I think the trip by train is about 3.5 hours if the connections (1 or 2) are tight.
 

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