Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[MichelinMan]

I’m not a lawyer, and I dont pretend to be one on the internet, but if the media were to single out Disney for COVID cases when it can’t be proven, that could be terms for lawful action, would it not?

Depends on how something is worded.

For example "10 people who stayed at WDW have contracted Covid" would just be stating a fact, without necessarily laying any blame (although readers would automatically try to link the two!). But no grounds for lawful action.

But phrase it as "10 people contracted Covid whilst staying at WDW" would be on slightly dodgy ground. For an average vacation, it would be nigh on impossible to prove that the virus is caught whilst staying on site, due to the up to 14 days incubation period.

But journalists are pretty clued up about this sort of stuff, and are very clever with their words mostly.

 

[vinotinto]

Weird. I’m there about the same time as you.

I must be in some kind of Disney jail. I’m not getting e-mails, I had to call to make dining reservations because of the “paws” and now I can’t add a day to my tickets!!!

I’m totally in Disney jail. I had to call to do my Park reservations (could only make one day). Could not get through on that Monday And was hours on hold on Tuesday. Then, they had to switch me to CR because Poly won’t be open and the studios were full (That also took a while). my AP was extended, but does not show under Annual Passes. And I didn’t get any notification about the previews (not that I could go anyway, but still). Yeah, Disney jail for me too!

 

[RachelTori]

We have a couple in this thread who seem to also want bad news to prove they are right in not going. Pretty sure they have “told you so“ embroidered on their throw pillow....

I have a daughter and son-in-law who are WDW CMs. Both are concerned for everyone’s safety (including their own and their fellow CMs), but are happily planning to welcome guests back and planning to give those guests a magical vacation.

SHAME ON anyone who hopes a Disney reopening turns out to be an ‘I told you so’. People’s lives and livelihoods are on the line.

Thank you to those of you who are planning to visit, will follow the rules Disney implements, and treats the wonderful CMs with the respect they deserve. I know that is most of you.

 

[0FF TO NEVERLAND]

I'm coming around to that. Used to think it would happen and only question is fans or no fans. However watching all these cases of college players, NBA, and MLS I'm having my doubts about it even though I have some friends who are like "go on and play ball. no problem if the 18-22 year olds in great health get it. They have almost 0% chance of complications. Let's play ball"

Apparently a majority of them testing positive, would have never even known if they weren't being tested for the sport. With no symptoms. So, in theory, it can be a plus having them tested all the time, and to keep whoever's infected and not deemed clear yet, isolated, till ready to return

The real issue I see is what happens if a few of your top players get a positive, then how does the team even compete with a chance of actually winning?

 

[Mit88]

It doesn't have to be 100% proveable. As long as their is good reason to believe it is true and the media doesn't know it is false then there is no real cause for action.

But I would think there’s a threshold where Disney becomes proactive in that type of defamation. But if we start hearing stories that are unproven about thousands of Disney guests contracting the virus, I could see them take some sort of action.

If it’s on an individual basis like the 1 guy in March, I could see them accepting the responsibility

 

[MichelinMan]

Prove 100% no but if we had good contact tracing like other countries do then we could determine it with reasonable certainty. Unfortunately, we don't which is one reason we are in the mess we are.

Whilst some countries do have a contact tracing app, uptake of it is pretty low in those countries, so I am not so sure that having an app is the holy grail people think it might be. I believe that a quarter of the people who installed it in France have already uninstalled it even!

 

[Krandor]

But I would think there’s a threshold where Disney becomes proactive in that type of defamation. But if we start hearing stories that are unproven about thousands of Disney guests contracting the virus, I could see them take some sort of action.

If it’s on an individual basis like the 1 guy in March, I could see them accepting the responsibility

Sueing the media is very very difficult. They basically have to know it is false and still report it for legal action to make much of a difference. Very very unlikely to happen and even less likely to be successful.

 

[0FF TO NEVERLAND]

https://deadline.com/2020/07/actors...-coronavirus-safety-plan-rejected-1202975296/
This doesn't change anything, I don't think in regards to opening. Just sharing as it relates.

" The email follows last week demands by Equity... It is deeply disturbing

Please join us on social media and help the public understand that a park without testing is putting performers and patrons alike at risk,” the message states. "

No wonder things can't get done, when you're demanding things. Just have a nice, decent conversation, without throwing someone under the bus and work together, instead of demanding things and basically telling the public that we are not educated enough to understand common sense issues. I also believe Equity represents a very small percentage of total Disney workers correct?

 

[Krandor]

Whilst some countries do have a contact tracing app, uptake of it is pretty low in those countries, so I am not so sure that having an app is the holy grail people think it might be. I believe that a quarter of the people who installed it in France have already uninstalled it even!

it is not just an app. It is dedicated contact tracing people. That is how many countries are keeping cases low. when somebody is positive they can trace back who they had contact with and get those people isolated and tested. No it isn't 100% but the more people you can catch that way the better off places are.

Anyway getting off topic. Back to disney

 

[Krandor]

" The email follows last week demands by Equity... It is deeply disturbing

Please join us on social media and help the public understand that a park without testing is putting performers and patrons alike at risk,” the message states. "

No wonder things can't get done, when you're demanding things. Just have a nice, decent conversation, without throwing someone under the bus and work together, instead of demanding things and basically telling the public that we are not educated enough to understand common sense issues. I also believe Equity represents a very small percentage of total Disney workers correct?

So demands are a bad thing? What is your alternative? Ask nice and if the answer is no say "ok. that's cool. when do you want us back?" Unions demand things all the time in negotiations. Often in the end there is some kind of compromise which will likely happen here but it is also possible testing is something they don't plan to back down from.

EDIT : Also left out this time - The union isn't stopping disney was recalling equity CMs while they negotiate. The lack of ageement isn't stopping their recall . "The email indicates that Walt Disney World has not, as yet, recalled Equity members to work, though the union had agreed not to stand in the way of contacting workers while negotiations for the safety plan were ongoing."

 

[dlavender]

" The email follows last week demands by Equity... It is deeply disturbing

Please join us on social media and help the public understand that a park without testing is putting performers and patrons alike at risk,” the message states. "

No wonder things can't get done, when you're demanding things. Just have a nice, decent conversation, without throwing someone under the bus and work together, instead of demanding things and basically telling the public that we are not educated enough to understand common sense issues. I also believe Equity represents a very small percentage of total Disney workers correct?

I think they are a small percentage. Not sure what that is.

Also, I don't know what timeline has been given for their return. I understand from @rteetz that they aren't coming back for the opening at the very least.

 

[0FF TO NEVERLAND]

So demands are a bad thing? What is your alternative? Ask nice and if the answer is no say "ok. that's cool. when do you want us back?" Unions demand things all the time in negotiations. Often in the end there is some kind of compromise which will likely happen here but it is also possible testing is something they don't plan to back down from.

What are they hostage takers? Terrorists?

You don't make demands of a company that hires your union and try to backhandedly insult them in public. You sit down, and list the issues that you would like addressed. You don't demand something be done, or else we will reject it. Its the tone being used that is the issue. Normal negotiations are a little different to me than pandemic negotiations. There needs to be equal footing and compromise. I just don't like companies that demand things by done or else.

Just talk, listen, compromise. Actors Equity is having a very difficult time right now, and Disney can give these people jobs. Just don't like the tone, thats all

 

[Krandor]

What are they hostage takers? Terrorists?

You don't make demands of a company that hires your union and try to backhandedly insult them in public. You sit down, and list the issues that you would like addressed. You don't demand something by done, or else we will reject it. Its the tone being used that is the issue. Normal negotiations are a little different to me than pandemic negotiations. There needs to be equal footing and compromise. I just don't like companies that demand things by done or else.

Just talk, listen, compromise. Actors Equity is having a very difficult time right now, and Disney can give these people jobs. Just don't like the tone, thats all

Disney can recall equity TODAY. The union has stated they will not stand in the way of recalling working while negotiations are in progress. That doesn't sound like a hostage taker or terrorist to me.

 

[0FF TO NEVERLAND]

Disney can recall equity TODAY. The union has stated they will not stand in the way of recalling working while negotiations are in progress. That doesn't sound like a hostage taker or terrorist to me.

Lets return to this when and if they do get recalled

 

[BrianR]

According to the article on ESPN, only 2 tested positive upon arrival at Disney, the other 4 tested positive a few days later, so may have been infected by the first 2. There’s also some rumblings that Dallas could be asked to leave the tournament altogether

Not gonna happen, the group stage games count towards the regular season standings. They may allow call ups from their USL club if they clear testing coming in. And FC Dallas isn't just going to forfeit the possibility of 9 points in a shortened season.

 

[rteetz]

Hit 4 million views!

 

[Krandor]

Lets return to this when and if they do get recalled

What is there to return to? If they don't get recalled until there is an agreement that doesn't mean disney couldn't recall them earlier. Simply means they didn't.

 

[rteetz]

 

[rteetz]

I think they are a small percentage. Not sure what that is.

Also, I don't know what timeline has been given for their return. I understand from @rteetz that they aren't coming back for the opening at the very least.

Most of these CMs are for the shows and stuff which are not opening with the parks.

 

[0FF TO NEVERLAND]

What is there to return to? If they don't get recalled until there is an agreement that doesn't mean disney couldn't recall them earlier. Simply means they didn't.

I want to see if they actually do return when recalled, or essentially say no, we won't come back unless these terms are met