The 4 Keys to become 5

[Farro]

You know why you won't see that in a big Disney movie? For the same reason you won't see a fat, ugly Cinderella.

Because it won't make money.

Dude, calm down with the fat/ugly stuff.

 

[Disney Bobby]

I think you are confusion inclusion with preferential treatment. No where anywhere has this "preferential treatment" been said about this key. Stop trying to spin this into something it's not

Of course it will. It happens ever day in corporate America hiring. Disney has a limited number of job opportunities. If they want to be more inclusive of define groups, they can't use those opportunities to hire people outside that group. That's just simple math.

 

[Disney Bobby]

Dude, calm down with the fat/ugly stuff.

Ok, let's just say "physical unattractive".

But the point is the same.

 

[yulilin3]

Of course it will. It happens ever day in corporate America hiring. Disney has a limited number of job opportunities. If they want to be more inclusive of define groups, they can't use those opportunities to hire people outside that group. That's just simple math.

of course you are entitled to your opinions, I can just say I don't agree with any of your statements, I see this key as nothing but positive for everybody.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Of course it will. It happens ever day in corporate America hiring. Disney has a limited number of job opportunities. If they want to be more inclusive of define groups, they can't use those opportunities to hire people outside that group. That's just simple math.

but they would be focusing on groups that are currently under represented ... so yes, if they specifically look to add more from those under-represented groups (because they fele there is added value tot he company by doing so) then it is just reducing the preferential position the majority group currently has

If everything was already even, then your point would be valid, but it isn't

 

[BrianL]

but they would be focusing on groups that are currently under represented ... so yes, if they specifically look to add more from those under-represented groups (because they fele there is added value tot he company by doing so) then it is just reducing the preferential position the majority group currently has

If everything was already even, then your point would be valid, but it isn't

Exactly. Yes, ideally everything should be equal and we shouldn't "see" color, etc. but that's simply not the case. It will never be corrected if nothing is ever changed.

 

[disneygirlsng]

I thought for sure this would finally be a thread where everyone would agree with each other, silly me.

 

[Disney Bobby]

of course you are entitled to your opinions, I can just say I don't agree with any of your statements, I see this key as nothing but positive for everybody.

If your physical characteristics were excluded from that group and you were looking to work at Disney, would you honestly still view that as a positive?

 

[Douglas Dubh]

It is far too early to say this won't add to guest experience or make guests return.

And I’m not doing that.

 

[rteetz]

I thought for sure this would finally be a thread where everyone would agree with each other, silly me.

I don't think a place like that exists on the internet.

 

[yulilin3]

If your physical characteristics were excluded from that group and you were looking to work at Disney, would you honestly still view that as a positive?

What group? Give me an example

 

[Disney Bobby]

but they would be focusing on groups that are currently under represented ... so yes, if they specifically look to add more from those under-represented groups (because they fele there is added value tot he company by doing so) then it is just reducing the preferential position the majority group currently has

If everything was already even, then your point would be valid, but it isn't

Even? The goal was to treat everyone fairly and ignore the superficial, not define them by their superficial characteristics and create a quota system to fill those buckets evenly. Virtuous racism, sexism, etc. is no better than where we were. Just a different form.

 

[yulilin3]

Even? The goal was to treat everyone fairly and ignore the superficial, not define them by their superficial characteristics and create a quota system to fill those buckets evenly. Virtuous racism, sexism, etc. is no better than where we were. Just a different form.

You're saying race, religion, sexual orientation , disability or armed forces member are a "superficial characteristic"?

 

[Disney Bobby]

What group? Give me an example

If you are female, and the intentionally left female off that list and explicitly included male. How would you feel? Would you feel that you should be treated as an individual, or that you should be looked at as team female.

 

[Disney Bobby]

You're saying race, religion, sexual orientation , disability or armed forces member are a "superficial characteristic"?

Yes. You can't judge anything about a person based on any of those characteristics. Good or bad. If you do, you have profiled/stereotyped them.

 

[adam.adbe]

If you are female, and the intentionally left female off that list and explicitly included male. How would you feel? Would you feel that you should be treated as an individual, or that you should be looked at as team female.

Ya know, that sounds exactly like the sort of thing that would be covered in inclusiveness training.

 

[yulilin3]

If you are female, and the intentionally left female off that list and explicitly included male. How would you feel? Would you feel that you should be treated as an individual, or that you should be looked at as team female.

But this is the point, they're making sure to NOT leave anyone behind

 

[yulilin3]

Yes. You can't judge anything about a person based on any of those characteristics. Good or bad. If you do, you have profiled/stereotyped them.

I understand your point of view now and again disagree with every bit of it.
Calling those aspects of anyone's life as superficial is over simplifying things.

 

[Douglas Dubh]

or maybe there are groups of people that currently don't feel *as* welcome that will not be more likely to come and tell their friends to come and have a more positive view of Disney and a trip to the parks and opening up a larger customer base (and new customers that feel more positive and want to spend more $ on things)

Like whom? The only group I can think of that aren’t being made to feel welcome at Disney is smokers.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Like whom? The only group I can think of that aren’t being made to feel welcome at Disney is smokers.

then I invite you to read some of the personal sotries shared in the D.O.C. thread on the DIS Unplugged forum with many people from minority groups who ahve had experiences being mistreated at Disney because of who they are - and just how that fear of that potnetially happening negatively impacts their trip


and from a CM perspective, there was this pretty public story of racist treatment at the DCA Frozen Production: https://www.onstageblog.com/onstage...acist-treatment-backstage-at-disney-park-show