Am I reading this right? Pre-testing change?

[Tired mom of 3 boys]

If only they would drop mask indoors this week…

Are you also on the PC cruise?

 

[Disneygirlxo91]

Are you also on the PC cruise?

4th - 7th

 

[anricat]

I do wish they would change to a testing 2-3 days on your own model. I would imagine that they would still catch the vast majority of cases that would be caught at port and it would make for a vastly better customer experience. Being turned away at port when the ship is right there has got to be awful. And it would save people travel (and thus potentially traveling whilst infected) and so much other hassle.

 

[Kwami]

I do wish they would change to a testing 2-3 days on your own model. I would imagine that they would still catch the vast majority of cases that would be caught at port and it would make for a vastly better customer experience. Being turned away at port when the ship is right there has got to be awful. And it would save people travel (and thus potentially traveling whilst infected) and so much other hassle.

The trouble is that they wouldn't catch the vast majority of cases if they let you test three days out.

 

[Cat15]

I am hoping they switch to the 2-3 day testing model as well. The latest CDC guidance for cruises allows them to do that. I believe Norwegian recently stopped testing at the port. We are traveling in a month and I would love to be able to test before we fly halfway across the country.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I do wish they would change to a testing 2-3 days on your own model. I would imagine that they would still catch the vast majority of cases that would be caught at port and it would make for a vastly better customer experience. Being turned away at port when the ship is right there has got to be awful. And it would save people travel (and thus potentially traveling whilst infected) and so much other hassle.

Except that adds $500 of cost for a family of 5.

 

[Intr3pid]

Being turned away at port when the ship is right there has got to be awful.

It's awful only for the party being turned away. It's a big sigh of relief for the remaining 1000s who no longer have to spend their vacation in fear of a resulting outbreak on board.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

It's awful only for the party being turned away. It's a big sigh of relief for the remaining 1000s who no longer have to spend their vacation in fear of a resulting outbreak on board.

A COVID outbreak among a fully-vaccinated-against-covid population is much less significant than any number of other outbreaks that could occur on a cruise ship, yet we don't bother testing for any of those things.

 

[Bibbidi_Boo]

It's awful only for the party being turned away. It's a big sigh of relief for the remaining 1000s who no longer have to spend their vacation in fear of a resulting outbreak on board.

Except you do realize that people can be just hours from testing positive, or a day away also. At this point the risk for severe cases are so low on a ship anyway..

 

[Bibbidi_Boo]

A COVID outbreak among a fully-vaccinated-against-covid population is much less significant than any number of other outbreaks that could occur on a cruise ship, yet we don't bother testing for any of those things.

This! Im so ready for testing to go away every where except for when actually sick and you go to dr to see what's wrong, like we have done for decades.

 

[Intr3pid]

A COVID outbreak among a fully-vaccinated-against-covid population is much less significant than any number of other outbreaks that could occur on a cruise ship, yet we don't bother testing for any of those things.

Except you do realize that people can be just hours from testing positive, or a day away also. At this point the risk for severe cases are so low on a ship anyway..

Nope. Several instances of COVID outbreaks on ships are well documented just in the last two months. Resulting in guests spending the rest of their vacations in a brig.

Feel free to quote us examples of these "other outbreaks" that the testing would have prevented.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Nope. Several instances of COVID outbreaks on ships are well documented just in the last two months. Resulting in guests spending the rest of their vacations in a brig.

Feel free to quote us examples of these "other outbreaks" that the testing would have prevented.

My point is, getting sick with the flu on a cruise ship would also require you to quarantine, yet there's no mandate for flu testing in order to board.

 

[Bibbidi_Boo]

Nope. Several instances of COVID outbreaks on ships are well documented just in the last two months. Resulting in guests spending the rest of their vacations in a brig.

Feel free to quote us examples of these "other outbreaks" that the testing would have prevented.

But most of the outbreaks are mild or symptomatic. They are only being found because of contract tracing. Norovorious does run through ships but no one has to quarantine unless actually sick or same room as a sick person but even then you stay in your own room nor get moved to another room.

Once testing stops, you won't be having much of an outbreak, and it will stop sooner than later.

 

[Bibbidi_Boo]

My point is, getting sick with the flu on a cruise ship would also require you to quarantine, yet there's no mandate for flu testing in order to board.

And you wouldn't get shipped off to deck 2 from your potential nice verandah room and every kid your flu kid may have been near in the kids club doesn't have to get tested.

These ship outbreaks aren't seeming to really affect the medical facilities. If cruise ships were having many severe cases requiring people to be transported off the ship then there would be a different situation. Cruising has always had risks due to the nature of being on a ship. There are a lot of people that shouldn't cruise that do if you take the risk of having a severe medical issue on board but they still do. It becomes risk of the individual in the end.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

And you wouldn't get shipped off to deck 2 from your potential nice verandah room and every kid your flu kid may have been near in the kids club doesn't have to get tested.

Right, we should stop doing that too.

 

[Bibbidi_Boo]

Right, we should stop doing that too.

Yes its quite ridicoulous.

 

[Intr3pid]

My point is, getting sick with the flu on a cruise ship would also require you to quarantine, yet there's no mandate for flu testing in order to board.

But most of the outbreaks are mild or symptomatic. They are only being found because of contract tracing. Norovorious does run through ships but no one has to quarantine unless actually sick or same room as a sick person but even then you stay in your own room nor get moved to another room.

Once testing stops, you won't be having much of an outbreak, and it will stop sooner than later.

First of all, regardless of what illness you have, if it's bad enough and a risk to the others, you will end up getting quarantined. That's pre and post COVID. And this is where most folks lose the plot.

Flu and omicron are two very different viruses. But I am not referring to their transmissibility, available treatments, or health outcomes.

I am referring to their how they are judged on board.

When was the last time a ship experienced a flu outbreak and 100s of guests were thrown into quarantine? When? Instead, you catch flu, isolate for a bit, recover with a Tylenol, and get on with the rest of your vacation. Short of being truly sick obviously.

With COVID, not really. Even if you are asymptomatic, you will end up in a brig. If you are contact traced to someone else who was exposed, you will end up in a brig. If you share a bus with an infected party, you will end up in a brig.

So, really, you are pushing for relaxing all the wrong rules. The rule they truly need to relax is how COVID exposure is handled on board. That you aren't sent to quarantine on board no matter what. THAT rule has to go.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

First of all, regardless of what illness you have, if it's bad enough and a risk to the others, you will end up getting quarantined. That's pre and post COVID. And this is where most folks lose the plot.

Flu and omicron are two very different viruses. But I am not referring to their transmissibility, available treatments, or health outcomes.

I am referring to their how they are judged on board.

When was the last time a ship experienced a flu outbreak and 100s of guests were thrown into quarantine? When? Instead, you catch flu, isolate for a bit, recover with a Tylenol, and get on with the rest of your vacation. Short of being truly sick obviously.

With COVID, not really. Even if you are asymptomatic, you will end up in a brig. If you are contact traced to someone else who was exposed, you will end up in a brig. If you share a bus with an infected party, you will end up in a brig.

So, really, you are pushing for relaxing all the wrong rules. The rule they truly need to relax is how COVID exposure is handled on board. That you aren't sent to quarantine on board no matter what. THAT rule has to go.

Amen, particularly for as long as there's a vax mandate in place.

 

[Bibbidi_Boo]

First of all, regardless of what illness you have, if it's bad enough and a risk to the others, you will end up getting quarantined. That's pre and post COVID. And this is where most folks lose the plot.

Flu and omicron are two very different viruses. But I am not referring to their transmissibility, available treatments, or health outcomes.

I am referring to their how they are judged on board.

When was the last time a ship experienced a flu outbreak and 100s of guests were thrown into quarantine? When? Instead, you catch flu, isolate for a bit, recover with a Tylenol, and get on with the rest of your vacation. Short of being truly sick obviously.

With COVID, not really. Even if you are asymptomatic, you will end up in a brig. If you are contact traced to someone else who was exposed, you will end up in a brig. If you share a bus with an infected party, you will end up in a brig.

So, really, you are pushing for relaxing all the wrong rules. The rule they truly need to relax is how COVID exposure is handled on board. That you aren't sent to quarantine on board no matter what. THAT rule has to go.

I agree how it is handled on ship needs to go but also The testing needs to go for anyone with no symptoms. Have always had to check the box saying your free if vomit, fever etc prior to boarding
As is.

 

[CamColt]

Let's keep this thread on track to avoid it crossing the line on the Covid policy. Thanks!