CARNIVAL VS DCL: The discussion and comparison thread!

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trvlgirlmq said:
To top off the lack of travel my mom's hours are getting cut and her employers will no longer pay for her medical insurance. So guess it's good she won't be paying for any vacations this year. I'm going to put my vacation money into new windows for the house. I have been wanting them, and we really need them as what we have are original from the 60's. I have put it off every year in order to take our wonderful vacations so this seems like a good time to do it.
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Sorry about you mom's hours getting cut.
 
The announced cancellation of all Alaska through and including June 30, 2020
All San Francisco sailings through 2020
All Radiance sailings up to and including November 1, 2020
All Legend sailings up to and including October 30, 2020

They still have Sunrise sailings from New York on their website, at least for August, I was just looking yesterday to see if they were coming down in price (and feeling optimistic about being able to sail again).
 
We moved our June panorama cruise a few days ago. We moved it to an ABC (actually without the C) cruise out of Fort Lauderdale Nov 2021. Even though we booked early saver they did not charge us to move it. Sad to miss Panorama. But we still haven’t received anything back from our Princess cruise, so we only want to pay in full for cruises we are pretty sure will sail. We are on CCL Radiance for this Nov 2020, and we saw that CCL cancelled all Radiance cruises up to November. Cutting it close but we think that one will sail. Hopefully things will start opening up soon and we can jump on a deal. From what I have read on CC it does look like CCL is not sailing through May at this point. I personally think it will be longer for CCL to set sail unfortunately 😕. I hope I am wrong.
 
we"reofftoneverland said:
We moved our June panorama cruise a few days ago. We moved it to an ABC (actually without the C) cruise out of Fort Lauderdale Nov 2021. Even though we booked early saver they did not charge us to move it. Sad to miss Panorama. But we still haven’t received anything back from our Princess cruise, so we only want to pay in full for cruises we are pretty sure will sail. We are on CCL Radiance for this Nov 2020, and we saw that CCL cancelled all Radiance cruises up to November. Cutting it close but we think that one will sail. Hopefully things will start opening up soon and we can jump on a deal. From what I have read on CC it does look like CCL is not sailing through May at this point. I personally think it will be longer for CCL to set sail unfortunately 😕. I hope I am wrong.
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Why it taking so long for refund? DCL seems to dragging their feet cancelling and refunding too Considering all the people out of work I’m sure some of them could use the money.
 


smmco said:
Why it taking so long for refund? DCL seems to dragging their feet cancelling and refunding too Considering all the people out of work I’m sure some of them could use the money.
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I don’t know. I am sure they will refund it in the end, but we just don’t want to end up with even more money out there in limbo. I didn’t realize DCL was dragging their feet too. That makes me feel a bit better. For some reason I would feel more comfortable if our money was with DCL or CCL. Princess is an unknown for us— this would have been our first sailing with them. We opted for all FCC with Princess, so the only money we will get back will be taxes and fees, prepaid grats, prepaid coffee packages, internet and water for the room. We used some gift cards on the bookings, so I am not sure if we will get money put back on gift cards or on the credit card. I looked up past CC statements and about 60% was gift cards, 40% credit cards. I am not very impressed with their response overall. We had to fill out an online form for each cabin stating whether we wanted 100% refund plus 100% FCC or 225% FCC. We received a vague auto reply form back that basically just said thanks for submitting. But the form went to spam and was flagged as dangerous— I’ve never even seen that happen in my email before. Since then there has been 0 communication from them. They did initially say it could take up to 60 days, so they are still within that framework but it is still a weird experience.
 
we"reofftoneverland said:
I don’t know. I am sure they will refund it in the end, but we just don’t want to end up with even more money out there in limbo. I didn’t realize DCL was dragging their feet too. That makes me feel a bit better. For some reason I would feel more comfortable if our money was with DCL or CCL. Princess is an unknown for us— this would have been our first sailing with them. We opted for all FCC with Princess, so the only money we will get back will be taxes and fees, prepaid grats, prepaid coffee packages, internet and water for the room. We used some gift cards on the bookings, so I am not sure if we will get money put back on gift cards or on the credit card. I looked up past CC statements and about 60% was gift cards, 40% credit cards. I am not very impressed with their response overall. We had to fill out an online form for each cabin stating whether we wanted 100% refund plus 100% FCC or 225% FCC. We received a vague auto reply form back that basically just said thanks for submitting. But the form went to spam and was flagged as dangerous— I’ve never even seen that happen in my email before. Since then there has been 0 communication from them. They did initially say it could take up to 60 days, so they are still within that framework but it is still a weird experience.
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When our carnival cruise cancelled. I called after two weeks. They weren’t going to process refunds for another month because they were hoping people would rebook.They did process the refund over on the phone.
I think late June/ July possible for cruises. Of course I’ve always been against the shut down so I may be overly optimistic.
 
smmco said:
When our carnival cruise cancelled. I called after two weeks. They weren’t going to process refunds for another month because they were hoping people would rebook.They did process the refund over on the phone.
I think late June/ July possible for cruises. Of course I’ve always been against the shut down so I may be overly optimistic.
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I forgot about how you went through that. Unfortunately, from what I have read on CC, when you call now they tell you that they are working as quickly as they can. But I will call soon to check on it. I have been putting it off.

I really like the CEO of CCL and was happy to see him in an interview challenging the CDC a bit. He said that he you are not any more likely to catch this virus on a cruise ship than any other place you go where there are other people. So I think he will press to open as soon as they legally can. I hope you are right on June/July.

I was talking to our doctor the other day because I noticed on his website he has a “What is Covid 19?” section. On his website he says that it is a cold virus that in the majority of people who even have symptoms presents itself as a mild respiratory infection. Good grief, it is so nice to have a doctor present this reasonably. I really wish they would not just have that Fauci guy presenting doomsday scenarios and have some other voices, maybe some doctors who actually practice medicine as opposed to someone who is a lifelong bureaucrat with an MD, telling the public about this virus.

DH pointed out to me last week that 18,000 people died in a heatwave in Italy in 2016, more than with corona.
 


we"reofftoneverland said:
I forgot about how you went through that. Unfortunately, from what I have read on CC, when you call now they tell you that they are working as quickly as they can. But I will call soon to check on it. I have been putting it off.

I really like the CEO of CCL and was happy to see him in an interview challenging the CDC a bit. He said that he you are not any more likely to catch this virus on a cruise ship than any other place you go where there are other people. So I think he will press to open as soon as they legally can. I hope you are right on June/July.

I was talking to our doctor the other day because I noticed on his website he has a “What is Covid 19?” section. On his website he says that it is a cold virus that in the majority of people who even have symptoms presents itself as a mild respiratory infection. Good grief, it is so nice to have a doctor present this reasonably. I really wish they would not just have that Fauci guy presenting doomsday scenarios and have some other voices, maybe some doctors who actually practice medicine as opposed to someone who is a lifelong bureaucrat with an MD, telling the public about this virus.

DH pointed out to me last week that 18,000 people died in a heatwave in Italy in 2016, more than with corona.
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I don't know what to believe. I certainly don't believe the media, I don't know how accurate graphs and predictions are. A lot of people put a lot of faith in these things, but it seems to me there are too many variables for them to be accurate. Hospital admissions are below the predictions of the task force.
I'm don't trust the numbers on all the Corona Virus deaths. I even heard the FDA commissioner say a lot of the deaths in Italy many be reclassified. I know NYC is a hot mess, but that's not surprising considering you have millions of people living on top of each. The media doesn't give a lot of attention to the states that are doing well during all of this.

I do think this is going to end up being seasonal like the flu. I really expect it to die out in the Summer. It may come back next Fall, but a lot of people should have immunity by then, and treatments should be available. Where I work we are using hydroxychloroquine to treat the few positive cases that we have. Our 60 bed ICU had 1 vented patient over the weekend and I don't think it was a COVID patient. The models tell us we'll be out of ICU beds and vents in three weeks. I'm not buying that. We would need a huge surge from where we are now. Aren't we all sitting in our homes so that doesn't happen? ???

Confusing and weird times to say the least. I wish I could fast forward the clock 3 months so this would all be over with. I still plan on cruising in August. I'm not sure it will be Europe or the Caribbean. I'm waiting to see what DCL decides to do with its European itineraries.

I'm extremely concerned about the economy. I'm not worried about the virus or catching the virus. It's the economy, and losing our freedom are the things that keep me up at night. I can't wrap my brain around what 20% unemployment would look like in this country. Frightening to say the least.
 
we"reofftoneverland said:
I forgot about how you went through that. Unfortunately, from what I have read on CC, when you call now they tell you that they are working as quickly as they can. But I will call soon to check on it. I have been putting it off.

I really like the CEO of CCL and was happy to see him in an interview challenging the CDC a bit. He said that he you are not any more likely to catch this virus on a cruise ship than any other place you go where there are other people. So I think he will press to open as soon as they legally can. I hope you are right on June/July.

I was talking to our doctor the other day because I noticed on his website he has a “What is Covid 19?” section. On his website he says that it is a cold virus that in the majority of people who even have symptoms presents itself as a mild respiratory infection. Good grief, it is so nice to have a doctor present this reasonably. I really wish they would not just have that Fauci guy presenting doomsday scenarios and have some other voices, maybe some doctors who actually practice medicine as opposed to someone who is a lifelong bureaucrat with an MD, telling the public about this virus.

DH pointed out to me last week that 18,000 people died in a heatwave in Italy in 2016, more than with corona.
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With all due respect... You'll find tons of different opinions about COVID-19. I don't want to create tensions... I don't wanna play moderator... But this thread is not the right place to discuss who's right and who's wrong on this matter.

How about we talk about cruising again?
 
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I was booked on a June 12 on the Liberty, it's not showing up anymore on the Carnival website, but I haven't received a cancellation notice. I'm sure I will though, no cruises out of FL are showing before the end of June. I really, really just want the refund instead of funds being tied up not knowing when or if I'll be able to go.
 
mevelandry said:
With all due respect... You'll find tons of different opinions about COVID-19. I don't want to create tensions... I don't wanna play moderator... But this thread is not the right place to discuss who's right and who's wrong on this matter.

How about we talk about cruising again?
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There not much going on with cruising right now.
 
AndreaDM said:
I was booked on a June 12 on the Liberty, it's not showing up anymore on the Carnival website, but I haven't received a cancellation notice. I'm sure I will though, no cruises out of FL are showing before the end of June. I really, really just want the refund instead of funds being tied up not knowing when or if I'll be able to go.
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mevelandry said:
But there will be...

...and @AquaDame already asked that we stay on topic as much as possible.
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I guess we can discuss cancelations. That’s the only current topic.
Im sure you’ll hear something soon. If you want a refund call them.
 
Right now I would LOVE to be on a ship, any ship that has toilet paper!! All the toilet paper one could ever need or want!!!! None of our stores have had it in stock forover 3 weeks(and I didn't hoard it beforehand) On-line sites like Walmart/Target say it is available in the stores only, but we are suppose to be staying home, auuuuuggggghhhhh!!! It's getting worse here and I just want some freaking TP!! I don't care if there's no vax before next March(our next cruise). If the ship is going and has TP I will be on it!!! Yes, I'm worried because we are nearly out of tp, what has happened to me!
 
mevelandry said:
With all due respect... You'll find tons of different opinions about COVID-19. I don't want to create tensions... I don't wanna play moderator... But this thread is not the right place to discuss who's right and who's wrong on this matter.

How about we talk about cruising again?
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I have noticed that when people say “with all due respect,” they mean just the opposite. Just an observation...

It matters what the people running our society, like politicians and CEOs of cruise companies, think about corona, because they decide when we start cruising again. So yes, I am happy when I hear the Carnival CEO say something that is grounded and positive and signals an opening for cruising. Apparently, you are not?
 
lklgoodman said:
Right now I would LOVE to be on a ship, any ship that has toilet paper!! All the toilet paper one could ever need or want!!!! None of our stores have had it in stock forover 3 weeks(and I didn't hoard it beforehand) On-line sites like Walmart/Target say it is available in the stores only, but we are suppose to be staying home, auuuuuggggghhhhh!!! It's getting worse here and I just want some freaking TP!! I don't care if there's no vax before next March(our next cruise). If the ship is going and has TP I will be on it!!! Yes, I'm worried because we are nearly out of tp, what has happened to me!
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Ugh. I got lucky last week. I showed up at Costco an hour after opening and they had four packages left. That was before the stay at home order. Now the line to get into Costco is like Avatar at Animal Kingdom.

I just got back from Sprouts and all the employees are wearing gloves and touching everything with their dirty gloves. They also had masks on and they probably wear the same mask for weeks. It’s so gross. The reason we go through so much PPE at the hospital is because we wear gloves and masks for one task and then discard. Were limited to one N95 for the shift if we have a covid or TB patient but we put a paper mask over it and we go through dozens of those a day. We don’t walk around the halls with gloves on. We wash our hands.
If you want to cover your face fine. I don’t do it unless I’m in a contact room, but Please ditch the gloves.and wash your hands.
Sorry for the rant.

Have you tried Target? You have to get there before they open and there’s a line, but I had success three weeks ago. I only got 6 rolls though. I was able to get some trifold paper towels at Sams. I haven’t seen regular ones in forever.
Thank God there’s no shortage of wine or I’d never make it through this.
 
The 2019 environmental score:
Disney = A-
Carnival = F
Not sure how scientific these rating are, but there are videos of Carnival employees dumping full plastic bags of trash into the ocean. Plus millions in fines for Carnival's environmental crimes. I'll stick with Disney.
 
smmco said:
Ugh. I got lucky last week. I showed up at Costco an hour after opening and they had four packages left. That was before the stay at home order. Now the line to get into Costco is like Avatar at Animal Kingdom.

I just got back from Sprouts and all the employees are wearing gloves and touching everything with their dirty gloves. They also had masks on and they probably wear the same mask for weeks. It’s so gross. The reason we go through so much PPE at the hospital is because we wear gloves and masks for one task and then discard. Were limited to one N95 for the shift if we have a covid or TB patient but we put a paper mask over it and we go through dozens of those a day. We don’t walk around the halls with gloves on. We wash our hands.
If you want to cover your face fine. I don’t do it unless I’m in a contact room, but Please ditch the gloves.and wash your hands.
Sorry for the rant.

Have you tried Target? You have to get there before they open and there’s a line, but I had success three weeks ago. I only got 6 rolls though. I was able to get some trifold paper towels at Sams. I haven’t seen regular ones in forever.
Thank God there’s no shortage of wine or I’d never make it through this.
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We sadly don't have a Costco or Target. We only have 3 grocery stores and a really old Walmart, so really limited. Once online stores get some, we'll be fine. My dh said he'd get some from work if we get desperate. His company isn't providing him any protection despite putting him in close contact with people who have to fly in from all over the country. We figure the least they can do is give him a few rolls. We have woods behind our house, so we teased our dd that she'll have to go gather leaves, lol!! I'm a huge germaphobe already. I had read that wearing gloves can actually put more germs onto items. So yes, as you said, wash your hands! I've been ordering groceries online and then having them delivered to our house. Sadly they won't let you buy alcohol that way. I just realized we have a drive thru alcohol store in town. I wonder if they are open. Probably not. I can't wait for this to be over. Time to watch Moana again--my make me feel happy movie.
 
AndreaDM said:
I was booked on a June 12 on the Liberty, it's not showing up anymore on the Carnival website, but I haven't received a cancellation notice. I'm sure I will though, no cruises out of FL are showing before the end of June. I really, really just want the refund instead of funds being tied up not knowing when or if I'll be able to go.
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Maybe it was a glitch earlier, I just did a search and they’re all still showing up.
 
we"reofftoneverland said:
I have noticed that when people say “with all due respect,” they mean just the opposite. Just an observation...

It matters what the people running our society, like politicians and CEOs of cruise companies, think about corona, because they decide when we start cruising again. So yes, I am happy when I hear the Carnival CEO say something that is grounded and positive and signals an opening for cruising. Apparently, you are not?
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French is my first language so I use expressions the way I interpret them: when I start a comment with « with all due respect », it means that I respect you and I don’t want to create tensions just because I disagree with you on the subject.

Now, COVID-19 is obviously one of those subjects who make everyone more emotional and conversations more «volatile »... (x times worse on social media!)

I believe it is possible to discuss what is going on in the cruising world regarding the cruise line industry without playing doctors/discussing the virus/the dangerosity of the virus itself...

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There are so many things we can talk about that is directly related to cruising:

-The consequences right now (cancellations, refunds);
-The new rules the CDC wants to impose on cruise ships;
-What we think the new rules will be for a while/in the long run;
-The financial consequences of all the changes;
-How we think our «new normal » in the cruising world will be...

Or we could just talk about cruising and cruise ships like we used to because we will be cruising again (and hopefully, very soon).
 
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