Covid And The Rest of Us

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elphaba91 said:
What is the benefit of banning alcohol totally? I know here they said it had to be sold with a meal, but I think part of that logic was to help restaurateurs; when numbers were so limited they didn’t want someone to take up a precious spot just to nurse a beer for an hour.
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I think, maybe, that they are hoping that young people will not go out to socialise, if no alcohol is available. Of course, it won’t stop them drinking at home and who knows whether they will obey the ‘household bubble’ rules.
Our village pub has a few elderly gents ( late 80/90s) who turn up at the pub every day, without fail, at midday. They sit at the bar, chat to everyone and nurse their one pint ( unless someone buys them a round) until 2pm. It’s probably the only social interaction they have all day. People like this seem to be overlooked.
 
Welsh_Dragon said:
So the Welsh First Minister has come up with his own set of Rules today.
All cafes, pubs, bars and restaurants in Wales will have to close at 6pm and can not sell alcohol at any time.
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Welsh_Dragon said:
I think, maybe, that they are hoping that young people will not go out to socialise, if no alcohol is available. Of course, it won’t stop them drinking at home and who knows whether they will obey the ‘household bubble’ rules.
Our village pub has a few elderly gents ( late 80/90s) who turn up at the pub every day, without fail, at midday. They sit at the bar, chat to everyone and nurse their one pint ( unless someone buys them a round) until 2pm. It’s probably the only social interaction they have all day. People like this seem to be overlooked.
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So completely unfamiliar here is it legal under normal terms to sell alcohol curbside? I can see exactly what they are going for it's just in stark contrast to my area where the state's Alcohol Beverage Control temporarily amended the law to allow curbside and to-go purchasing of alcohol both at liquor stores (which were deemed essential and remained open) and at restaurants and bars. The purpose there was to allow some income to come in (at that time restaurants and bars were closed for dine-in but the amended law was allowed to continue even after dine-in returned and bars were able to reopen).

6pm is so early to me. My husband doesn't even get off work these days til 5:30pm with his project and he's in a 9-5 style job many others are not. Are these places closed for dine-in only or closed period as in no delivery or curbside?
 


Meanwhile in Ireland, its got to the you have to laugh or you will cry stage.

All bars which don't serve food have been closed since March and are not allowed to reopen when the restrictions change tomorrow. As a result people are making shebeens, illegal underground bars, like the old speakeasies in Prohibition America.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...down-shebeens-in-kerry-and-monaghan-1.4422969
Police are anticipating an increase in the number of shebeens operating in the weeks ahead over Christmas and into the New Year as bars will not open. They will redouble their efforts to detect the illegal drinking dens.

Police sources said the demand for places to meet and socialise will increase during the festive period but said Operation Navigation, which targets breaches of the licencing trade, would be intensified.

The warning comes after the discovery of two more shebeens, one in Co Kerry and the other in Co Monaghan over the weekend.

During a search of a property in Causeway, Co Kerry, on Saturday evening Police discovered a shebeen, which had been set up to serve draft beer and a range of other alcoholic drinks.

The premises had also been fitted with a pool table and other facilities for drinkers including a Space Invaders arcade game installed for patrons on the premises, which had undergone renovation to create a pub-style atmosphere.
 
Mackenzie Click-Mickelson said:
So completely unfamiliar here is it legal under normal terms to sell alcohol curbside? I can see exactly what they are going for it's just in stark contrast to my area where the state's Alcohol Beverage Control temporarily amended the law to allow curbside and to-go purchasing of alcohol both at liquor stores (which were deemed essential and remained open) and at restaurants and bars. The purpose there was to allow some income to come in (at that time restaurants and bars were closed for dine-in but the amended law was allowed to continue even after dine-in returned and bars were able to reopen).

6pm is so early to me. My husband doesn't even get off work these days til 5:30pm with his project and he's in a 9-5 style job many others are not. Are these places closed for dine-in only or closed period as in no delivery or curbside?
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I am not sure what ‘curb side’ means? If it is the same as to takeaway, then my understanding is that restaurants can offer takeaway food after 6 pm but not alcohol. Also, no customers can be on the premises after 6 pm ( not just ‘last call’), so restaurants/pubs have to have hatches, or hand food out through the window/door. Some have invested in food trucks. Usually supermarkets, corner shops, even petrol stations sell alcohol 24/7 but under lockdown rules they cannot sell alcohol after 10 pm nor can it be delivered after 10 pm if you use an online delivery service.
Also, we still have a lot of ‘spit and sawdust’, so called ‘wet’ pubs here. Think pint of warm beer and a bag of nuts/crisps/ pork scratchings, but no other food.

Last weekend, England was in lockdown but Wales was not, and the Welsh police were given powers to carry out random checks on cars, turns cars back and issue fixed penalty fines. The authority only lasted from Friday to Monday morning, but it is quite a far reaching power. It will be interesting to see if England follows suit, when the ‘tide turns’ this week and Wales’ lockdown is more stringent than England.
 
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I am not sure what ‘curb side’ means? If it is the same as to takeaway, then my understanding is that restaurants can offer takeaway food after 6 pm but not alcohol. Also, no customers can be on the premises after 6 pm ( not just ‘last call’), so restaurants/pubs have to have hatches, or hand food out through the window/door. Some have invested in food trucks. Usually supermarkets, corner shops, even petrol stations sell alcohol 24/7 but under lockdown rules they cannot sell alcohol after 10 pm nor can it be delivered after 10 pm if you use an online delivery service.
Also, we still have a lot of ‘spit and sawdust’, so called ‘wet’ pubs here. Think pint of warm beer and a bag of nuts/crisps/ pork scratchings, but no other food.

Last weekend, England was in lockdown but Wales was not, and the Welsh police were given powers to carry out random checks on cars, turns cars back and issue fixed penalty fines. The authority only lasted from Friday to Monday morning, but it is quite a far reaching power. It will be interesting to see if England follows suit, when the ‘tide turns’ this week and Wales’ lockdown is more stringent than England.
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Curbside means you park they bring it out to you. So yes takeaway just you not going inside the building. It's what many places were forced to go to back in the spring here in the States. Thanks for the clarification on the time part.

That's really very interesting about the random car checks. Any word on how many violators were caught? We have random checks for DUIs and in my area seatbelt violations several times a year but that is all I've ever seen for a coordinated effort.
 


Mackenzie Click-Mickelson said:
Curbside means you park they bring it out to you. So yes takeaway just you not going inside the building. It's what many places were forced to go to back in the spring here in the States. Thanks for the clarification on the time part.

That's really very interesting about the random car checks. Any word on how many violators were caught? We have random checks for DUIs and in my area seatbelt violations several times a year but that is all I've ever seen for a coordinated effort.
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So far it has been reported that during the first 24 hours, 110 cars were stopped, 15 turned away and 12 fines issued.
I am not sure whether it is totally random, or whether the police are checking where cars are registered, when choosing which cars to stop. They can do these through our DVLA system or simply because, unless you have a private number plate, the letters of your number plate refer to where the car was first registered, so for example, cars first registered in Wales, will have Welsh plates which begin with the letter ‘C’ for Cymru.
 
Welsh_Dragon said:
So far it has been reported that during the first 24 hours, 110 cars were stopped, 15 turned away and 12 fines issued.
I am not sure whether it is totally random, or whether the police are checking where cars are registered, when choosing which cars to stop. They can do these through our DVLA system or simply because, unless you have a private number plate, the letters of your number plate refer to where the car was first registered, so for example, cars first registered in Wales, will have Welsh plates which begin with the letter ‘C’ for Cymru.
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Well at least they got some people! Hopefully one less individual out and about doing what they aren't supposed to do according to your rules. During the DUI checkpoints here in my area they don't often get too many people but during the seatbelt one they tend to get more. And that is really cool about the license plates. I didn't know what Cymru meant so I looked it up--it's Welsh for Wales...I learned something new today :) :)

This sorta ties into your story the city on the other side of the state line from me has a 10pm closing time for restaurants (in my county it's midnight right now) and that city also is asking the police to step in when needed (which in my county the police wouldn't come for these violations unless there's aggression/violence/failure to leave the premises). They went over the weekend to 61 businesses in that city checking on enforcement and closed down 5 of those. 4 of them were due to the 10pm time which it was that people were still dining at that time period (similar to your 6pm everyone has to be gone by then). Those businesses just need to submit a compliance plan to the city in order to reopen (which basically would be "I will close and have people gone by 10pm).

The last one got heated as the owner was caught with lack of mask enforcement, social distancing rules, and being open later than 10pm. He initially refused to comply with closing his business and the police were called after an hour of his refusal and the business was forcefully closed at that point. He now has an "informal hearing to review and discuss permit and order requirements before the business permit can be reinstated."
 
ronandannette said:
:eek: Our federal Minister of Finance announced a budget update today. In the 3rd quarter of 2019 Canada's projected budget deficit for 2020 was 34 Billion. As of today, it is 381 Billion and climbing. The difference is 96% Covid related. No words. :scared:
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When I consider the countries that for example are continuing to support their people through this pandemic Japan for example 100% of their pay provided to them for loss income replacement. Others at the moment I can't recall which country but the percentages decrease.

Responsible governments are doing this to keep the people healthy, and I understand will continue to do so throughout the pandemic. A Healthy People, A Healthy Nation.

Now is still not the time for Austerity governance. Btw, whom among we Canadians does not wish the spending could be less, but it is the nature of the beast.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107572/covid-19-value-g20-stimulus-packages-share-gdp/
 
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A bit ago I was talking about businesses and aid for them. There's $13.5 million in CARES Act funds available to my county for businesses to get until December 11th. Each business that applies for it can get funds in $10,000 increments. To qualify they have to be in our county, "have fewer than 50 full time employees, a revenue loss in 2020 compared to 2019 or can show COVID related expenses up to $10,000." $10,000 isn't going to be good for long-term but it allows some to make it just a wee bit longer.

The person who is part of the entity administering this aid mentioned this "For a lot of us here reviewing the applications, it can be a bit depressing when we’re seeing the revenue impact these businesses have suffered. This has been a crisis in a small business community that I’m not sure we’ve ever seen.”

A store owner who is able to get some of those funds said this "We have just always been here through a recession, some robberies, through major appliance breakages and COVID has been the hardest thing ever" but they also said this "paid her employees first and bills as she can." “Without that money (the grant) we wouldn’t make it we just wouldn’t make it,”. I must say as much as the other bills are an issue (companies, landlords, etc all need their money too) it does warm my heart to hear she's paying her employees first.

I remember so very early on I had mentioned on a thread that this pandemic going to be unlike anything we've ever seen as far as economic impacts. Some people pointed towards 9/11 and The Great Recession and I pointed that there's elements to both of those times in our recent lives that this pandemic seems to have. I hope around the world places are able to recover at least some :grouphug:
 
NFLDERS said:
When I consider the countries that for example are continuing to support their people through this pandemic Japan for example 100% of their pay provided to them for loss income replacement. Others at the moment I can't recall which country but the percentages decrease.

Responsible governments are doing this to keep the people healthy, and I understand will continue to do so throughout the pandemic. A Healthy People, A Healthy Nation.

Now is still not the time for Austerity governance. Btw, whom among we Canadians does not wish the spending could be less, but it is the nature of the beast.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107572/covid-19-value-g20-stimulus-packages-share-gdp/
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I'm not debating any of that. This news, as well as a national debt approaching 1.2 TRILLION dollars is simply yet another heartbreaking and terrible consequence of Covid 19.
 
I wanted to mention the U.S. is expected to get it should it get EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) approval within 2 weeks. The state next to me advised a shipment of Pfizer's with 50K doses around December 15th. Someone mentioned on another thread CA would get over 200K doses around that time as well. All based on approval of course.

Are any other countries/regions anticipating vaccine approval and distribution here soon? I myself was not anticipating a vaccine this soon even while keeping up with the news on another thread. I'm really interested in knowing the impacts of vaccine news to some of these countries and regions with much stricter approaches than the U.S.
 
Mackenzie Click-Mickelson said:
I wanted to mention the U.S. is expected to get it should it get EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) approval within 2 weeks. The state next to me advised a shipment of Pfizer's with 50K doses around December 15th. Someone mentioned on another thread CA would get over 200K doses around that time as well. All based on approval of course.

Are any other countries/regions anticipating vaccine approval and distribution here soon? I myself was not anticipating a vaccine this soon even while keeping up with the news on another thread. I'm really interested in knowing the impacts of vaccine news to some of these countries and regions with much stricter approaches than the U.S.
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The Sinovac vaccine is apparently already in wide distribution in China (this is the one Canada haplessly partnered in developing under the brand-name CanSino.) According to this article, the vaccine has not undergone testing the same way as the other potential vaccines have been. It's an interesting read.
Does China have a Covid-19 vaccine? Almost 1 million people may already be inoculated. - Vox
 
ronandannette said:
OK, so here we go! The sooner we get started, the sooner we get done is what my DDad always used to say! I'm not sure we've got anyone from England participating here; @Welsh_Dragon and @BadPinkTink - how does this news impact Wales and Ireland? What is the general attitude towards Covid vaccine where you are?
Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine approved for use in UK, starting next week - CNET
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Not too sure if people understand Brexit, basically The UK which is England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland will leave The EU on December 31. As a result they set up their own Agency / Department to deal with the vaccine approval and distribution.

Ireland is in The EU and is part of the European Medicines Agency. European Medicines Agency have set a date of on or before December 29 to approve the Pfizer vaccine and the Moderna vaccine on or before January 12. The EU decided to go with full approval in one stage rather than emergency approval and then full approval.

In Ireland we have an annual flu vaccine program which has high take up. I expect the Covid vaccine will have a good take up. We do of course have anti vacers but they are very much the minority and seen as crackpots.

Also as to why The UK approved before USA, its to do with the actual approval process. The USA has more stages in the approval than The UK / EU.

I need to talk to my sister who lives in England. She would be in one of the first categories to get the vaccine. The last time we spoke, she had a few concerns but would most likely get it when she gets called. But that was before this news, when it was still an abstract thought.
 
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Mackenzie Click-Mickelson said:
I wanted to mention the U.S. is expected to get it should it get EUA (Emergency Use Authorization) approval within 2 weeks. The state next to me advised a shipment of Pfizer's with 50K doses around December 15th. Someone mentioned on another thread CA would get over 200K doses around that time as well. All based on approval of course.

Are any other countries/regions anticipating vaccine approval and distribution here soon? I myself was not anticipating a vaccine this soon even while keeping up with the news on another thread. I'm really interested in knowing the impacts of vaccine news to some of these countries and regions with much stricter approaches than the U.S.
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My mom and dad are 80 and 87. We're getting SO close. Can't wait to get them vaccinated.
 
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