Note to parents of younger children

jdads2

Squirrelly as all heck
Joined
Jan 2, 2001
My kids are, out too late, in too early, too hungry, too full, have ants in their pants, are catatonic, little angels or little devils. Doesn't make any difference. They are my kids, my responsibility. Offer us your seat, an apple, use of a toy...THANK YOU that really helps. Don't offer it to us...OK. If you think that we have our kids out too late...its WDW, I can live with a little crankiness...please excuse us. I apologize if we disturb you. Chances are, if the kids are out too late so are mom and dad. I know my kids, if I have them out late, especially someplace that is as draining as WDW, I don't care what they look like 2 minutes before we head out, as soon as it's time to leave I know they are going to be, at BEST, tired on the way home(back to the hotel).

For those parents who don't like to be told how to be better parents or how to handle your kids, I don't blame you. I don't like being told how to raise my kids. But, I don't expect others to help us do it either. KInd of can't have your cake and eat it too.

Just my 2 cents...maybe a quarters worth,
Dave
 

Figaro30

Proud to be an American
Joined
Jan 11, 2001
gotta add one more thing....

People keep saying that if I don't want cranky kids to go somewhere else then.

I don't mind the cranky kids, I love kids. It was the cranky mom that flipped my lid.
 

kaitlynangel

Mouseketeer
Joined
Oct 12, 1999
just wanted to remind everyone how we rely on everyone in society to assist us with our kids. We rely on Teachers, School bus Drivers, crossing guards, school lunch ladies, religion teachers, babysitters, grandparents, Gymboree programs and daycare facilities. We rely on our police and firemen to keep them safe.We rely on their doctors to make them better. Some of you may get technical with me and say "they don't raise my kids" so, i will leave it as WE rely on their help everyday. If we didn't have people who believed that we all as a society have a responsiblilty to each other and our children, we wouldn't have any of those people I mentioned above to Rely on. Thank goodness there are people who care for your kids, whether you recongize it or not. Of course the ultimate responsiblity for your children falls upon you. Funny how we never hear a child say they want to be a mommy or a daddy when they grow up. I believe it's because Children recongize that helping others is a cool thing, therefore they always say they want to be a Firemen, doctor or a Teacher. When do we lose that sense of helping others? Thank goodness some of us which this society relies on never did.
 
  • neenercan

    Earning My Ears
    Joined
    Jan 24, 2001
    First off I think that is WDW responsibility to make sure that a bus is not overfilled like that. It is a saftey issue. A worker should be responsible for seeing that everyone has a seat on a bus!!! It really ticks me off that WDW charges 50.00 a day per person than does something like this.
     

    Figaro30

    Proud to be an American
    Joined
    Jan 11, 2001
    I never really thought about it before now...but you are absolutely correct. I'm so used to the bus situation that I never thought twice about it. That's just always been the way it is.

    It's very dangerous for children and everybody else to be standing in a packed bus. Next time we go I will be sure to put in a complaint and hopefully everybody else that has read this will do the same.
     

    jdads2

    Squirrelly as all heck
    Joined
    Jan 2, 2001
    You are correct. I did not stress my point. We do rely on a lot of people to help raise our kids. I beleive that society as a whole would be a better place if we all took an interest in (all)our children. That is a bit of a utopian wish. For most of those you mentioned, it is there job to be relied upon....please don't assume that I do not recognize that they are essential for the proper growth of my child. However, that being said, we all rely upon each other. We rely on the farmer who relies on the trucker who reliesthe grocer who relies on us....

    My point should have been confined to the original example. If you have tired kids that are cranky, don't blame anyone else. I know my kids, as do most parents. If I keep them out late they are going to be tired and probably cranky. I know that I should be prepared for the consequences.

    ....wham! bang!...fell off my soap box

    Dave
     

    Fleur

    Earning My Ears
    Joined
    Jul 26, 2000
    I think the woman's fit probably could have been avoided if people had just minded their own business. As it is, it seems that she heard people talking about her child falling asleep standing up on a bus. So, they not only saw him, they thought it was cute! I could excuse people for not noticing, but maybe not for enjoying watching my child in a dangerous situation. (Which, we seem to agree, applies to small kids standing in moving vehicles.)...Might bring out the mama bear in me, too.
     
  • BuckeyeBelle

    Mouseketeer
    Joined
    Feb 18, 2000
    Since when is it a surprise that children and adults alike wear out all of a sudden when they leave the park? The fun and adreanaline stops, and the body stops too. Leaving the park any sooner probably wouldn't prevent the bus ride blues.

    Sounds like the child was not the only one who was tired and having a hard time. So was the mom, and the people who were ostensibly giggling about it but couldn't figure out how to give up their seats. Nobody showed self control and good manners. The whole situation could have been avoided if just ONE of those people had kept their comments to themselves. Perhaps the adults who were laughing weren't as rude as the snippy mom, but they were rude nonetheless. That child was not an attraction to be giggled over within earshot of his mom.

    This is definitely a situation that should have remained forgotten. Much less expanded to become a lecture to "all parents of young children." Maybe it should be a lesson to *all* tired bus riders (not just parents) to mind their manners. JMHO
     

    gussmom

    Earning My Ears
    Joined
    Jan 16, 2001
    ok I have been reading this for the past couple of days and this is just killing me!!!

    1) the women was wrong to yell!! Not setting a good example for her child and not very adult

    2) If you or anyone else dares to tell me how to raise my child I will get defensive.

    3) its Disney World for petes sake. Kids will be out later than usual. Do you think at home we let them stay up till they fall asleep standing??? Please use some common sense!!!

    Judie
     

    ilisa

    Earning My Ears
    Joined
    Dec 7, 2000
    Give me a break about it being too crowded to offer someone a seat. Where there is a will, there is a way. I travel on public transportation every day and have been on the metro at times where the crowds would make the Disney buses spacious by comparison. But, I and other people still have managed to give up our seats when the situation arose. Teamwork and tolerance, people.
     
  • isles_nyi

    Rooting for the underdog!
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    Jan 9, 2001
    All of this could be solved if Disney could just make Transporters like they have on Star Trek™ and just beam guest directly to their rooms.



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    dmslush

    <font color="navy">If you don't let your dog poop
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    I, too, have read this post a dozen times debating on if I REALLY wanted to post. If I keep my daughter out in the park too late, that is MY fault. If she is falling asleep on her feet, it is MY fault. If I want her to be able to sit, I will wait until the next bus. I would NEVER expect someone to give my daughter their seat. I also would NEVER yell at a stranger for not offering a seat. I would rather see a tired granny be given a seat as my healthy young daughter.
     

    Figaro30

    Proud to be an American
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    Jan 11, 2001
    Somebody said earlier that If it was an older fragile woman that anybody would have jumped to give up the seat. I agree because as soon as she was loading on the bus somebody would have noticed immediately and offered the seat to her and it would have been possible to quickly switch. But in this case it was 10 minutes into the bus ride and the lights were out on the bus and it was fully loaded and moving. In order to arrange for a switch the bus would have needed to stop. People would have had to unload and seating could then be changed. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY!!!!! I'm not a bad person and neither is that other woman behind me.

    I was talking to my husband about this and he reminded me he was on the outside seat almost next to the woman but blocked by another man which was that woman's husband (which by the way her husband stayed totally out of the confrontation because I guess has to live with the crazy lunatic forever). He also reminded me that he had no idea that the woman was even there until the last minute of the trip when she started yelling because the lights were out. He was like "what is going on????" He didn't even realize the situation. I did notice however because I was leaning up against the window facing the isle. So I could see behind my shoulder that poor little boy falling asleep. Which by the way the father could have helped her also.

    PS neither me or the other woman sitting behind me were LAUGHING at the little boy or making fun of him. What kind of a person do you think I am??? I have a cousin who is mentally retarded, I have a son, I donate to organizations and I always give up my seat when possible. I guess i'm just one of those people who think it is really adorable to see a tired little boy, much like a tired sleeping kitten or puppy. But that's right....none of you were there!
     

    jdads2

    Squirrelly as all heck
    Joined
    Jan 2, 2001
    You touched(ever so gently I thought) a nerve with some. I wouldn't take the comments here personally.

    That is part of the downside to these forums.

    Just as we do not know you others don't know me or I them. We only get a glimpse of each other through these tiny windows that we post.

    I suppose that the real lesson from this disussion is gaining more tolerence.

    Dave
     

    Figaro30

    Proud to be an American
    Joined
    Jan 11, 2001
    Thanks Dave....

    I give up. You all win! <IMG WIDTH="15" HEIGHT="15" SRC="/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif" alt="razz">
     

    bfeller

    <font color=green>"if he doesn't believe in fairie
    Joined
    Jun 18, 2000
    Figaro, I also feel that you were unfairly judged. As I posted earlier. The woman was out of line. She was rude. I think many people including myself make small talk on the buses with other people. I didn't feel that anything that you said was out of line. I always feel that half the fun of Disney is meeting others. Also, as far as the seat thing goes. A courtesy that is extended when it is possible remains a courtesy and not a right. Granted, Disney does run those buses crowded and I for one don't feel that anyone should be moving around once the bus is in motion. This is dangerous. I know that the buses can be packed like sardines and those who posted the opinion that no matter what you could have offered your seat have not experienced Disney during the crowded times. Also, they seemed to miss the point that the lady and her son walked on the bus knowing that there were no seats available. It is a shame that some people write before reading and understanding the post but that is life and what makes it interesting. Anyway, I hope this thread will be laid to rest soon. I don't think you were a bad girl.
     

    Spinning

    <font color=deeppink>Give me a chunk of something
    Joined
    Apr 27, 2000
    I have been reading this tread for awhile now I guess what buggs me the most is one your title of the tread and this quote:
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    TO ALL PARENTS: it's not anybody elses job to watch your kids or take care of your kids. To that parent I say "if your child is THAT tired that he can't stand up then you should have brought him home a long long long time ago".
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    I have a DD who has always been the energizer bunny but when she crashed she was out! Didn't matter where or when. Car rides and bus rids after a day in the park or even a morning in the park and coming back to our room for lunch would put her out. So if you saw my DD at 9:45 watching the fireworks you would have seen a smiling bouncing girl! Been this way since birth! But once on the bus...boom different story! I never expect anyone to give up a seat for us, I try if possible to give up my seat. But truthfuly there has been times where I don't pay attention and like you may not have realized someone else would be better seated. Plus the mom may not have know her son would fall asleep standing.
    But that is hind sight. I just think some of your wording is what offended people. Very judgemental! Maybe I am being that now so I am sorry if I did. But parents are not wrong or bad to keep there children out past their bed times. I had people make comments to us about having out DD out till 11 PM when she was 2 but that was her personality! She still sleeps very little, DD is now 5 she goes to be around 8:30 and is up by 6! Even if she goes to bed at 10 still up by 6!

     



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