Pin Trading 101

djk

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Feb 18, 2011
We are heading to DLR the third week of September. My two daughters are interested in trying out "pin trading." We haven't done this during previous trips, so I welcome any advice. A few questions:

1. I'm seeing pins for sale on Amazon, eBay and Etsy. Do you recommend buying these or waiting to buy some at the park?

2. How many pins is a good number to purchase for a "new pin trader?"

3. Do you recommend keeping the pins on a lanyard while in the park? Or something else?

4. Any general tips? Do we just look for other people with pins on a lanyard and ask if they'd like to trade? Or do you mostly trade with cast members?

Thanks!
 
Don't trade with other guests. There are professional traders who will scam you. Also, if you buy pins on eBay, etc you may be getting fakes and that's not fair to other guests. At least if you trade with CMs or official pin boards they're supposed to remove fakes.
 
Most bulk lots on ebay and the like will be full of what pin traders refer to as 'scrappers'. These are sometimes knockoffs and sometimes offical pins that didnt pass quality control. They're an attractive offer and usually cost 10x less per pin than offcial in park pins do, but you should know that you likely aren't getting official pins.

The lanyard starter sets are nice but can be expensive. Anywhere from $35 - $50+ each set. They usually come with 6 - 10 pins plus a lanyard to wear them with and I think that's a good number of pins to start trading with.
 
Before I knew about scrappers, I bought several lots from ebay back in 2012. Shortly before we went, I found out about them, and started researching. Out of about 40 pins, I ended up with 4 real ones. (real as far as I could tell from using pinpics. com) We still took them with us to wear, but not to trade. Turns out a lanyard full of pins isn't the most comfortable thing. So we ended up leaving them at the hotel and using the lanyards to hold our tickets and FPs. Overall, I think the idea of buying a starter set from the parks is the best option. 4-6 pins is doable for us to enjoy without being weighed down.

Our last trip was probably the most pin trading we have ever done. It was actually really fun! We would trade pins with CMs, and then when standing in lines, I would go on pinpics and find out if it was a real or not, and if it wasn't (most of the time they weren't) we would trade it out. It allowed us to be willing to trade more often. It became a game! It was also nice because it rained while we were there, so we could just hop through the stores on Main Street and trade as we went in each store. I can't wait to do it again.

There are lots of tutorials on youtube about how to better spot fakes. It really helped me!

Happy Trading!!
 
We found for our last trip that we could buy pins from the Disney Store website (without lanyards) for around $5 per pin. We did not pay much attention to whether or not we liked the set, just which one would give us the most pins for our money since we were going to trade them away. We typically take enough pins to be able to trade 8-10 pins per day. We swap out on our lanyard the ones we want to keep every night so we aren't carrying all of our pins every day. As far as scrappers are concerned, there are two camps. There is a strong contingent of pin traders who feel like scrappers have diluted the trading pool and get frustrated with it. Scrappers have definitely diluted the trading pool and made it harder to find legit pins to trade for in the parks. But, on the other hand, my Dad has traded for years. He buys lots on ebay because that is what he can afford and does not care if the pins he gets when he trades are scrappers or not. If he likes the pin, it doesn't matter to him. So, collect however you want. It is really fun to trade!
 
Pin trading can be a lot of fun, but it can also be very addictive and expensive! I love to trade pins and it's a major part of my trips to Disney, but I only trade with Cast Members.

How to Trade: Essentially, you purchase some pins (there are many options for where, how, etc.) and then take them with you. You'll see CMs that are wearing lanyards (either neck or hip) of varying colors (e.g., black, maroon, green/teal). The green/teal lanyards are for trading with children only. When you see a CM with a lanyard, you just go up to them and ask if you may look at their pins. If you see one you like, you offer to trade one of your pins for that pin. Aside from a few limitations, the CMs cannot refuse a trade.

The CMs can only refuse to trade if the pin you are offering is already on their lanyard (i.e., a duplicate), if the pin is not in good condition (i.e., scratched image, broken, etc.), not a Disney pin (no Disney copyright on the back), or not a pin (i.e., buttons cannot be traded). For the CMs, they only have to trade the pins on their lanyards, so any service pins that they might be wearing on their costume or nametags are not for trading.

Disney has published some guidelines:
http://disney.go.com/eventservices/howtopintrade.pdf

In addition to the neck or hip lanyards that CMs may be wearing, you may also find pin boards, books, or other objects (e.g., I’ve seen a life preserver at OKW ). Those can have lots pins to look at. The trading rules are the same, as with the CM lanyards. Some boards/books/objects are out at all times, but others may only come out at certain times.

In terms of the CMs that wear lanyards, look in the shops, at the ride entrances, janitorial, management, and (sometimes) security. The ride operators and loaders tend not to have lanyards.

Costs: Pin trading can be very expensive, especially if you buy pins after you get to Disney. Disney sells individual pins (don't buy these for trading, they're very expensive) and starter/booster sets. Starter/Booster sets are usually sets of 7 or so pins for about $30. If you run out of pins or decide to start trading after you've arrived, booster/starter sets are your best bet. Other sources include the Disney Stores, Disney Outlets, and the DisneyStore.com. I would keep an eye on the DisneyStore.com's clearance section for good deals. You can also buy pins on eBay or non-Disney sites, but be careful. Those can often be scrappers/ counterfeits /fakes, especially if they're super cheap (e.g., less than a few dollars per pin).

Caveats: there are a few other things worth noting about trading. The first are the "professional" traders and the second are "scrappers".

Professional Traders: My advice is to be wary of the professional pin traders. These are the non-CM traders that are sometimes found outside of the store in Tomorrowland, Frontierland, and over in DTD (they might be elsewhere, but that's where I've seen them). These folks do not have to trade with you nor do they have to adhere to the Disney trading guidelines (e.g., one pin for one pin). I'm sure some of them are nice folks, but I would be cautious when approaching them for a trade because for many of them this is a business so they're out to get the most valuable/expensive pins possible from you. So if they will trade your pin for their pins, that's probably fine. If they ask you go buy a pin or pins for them, I'd walk away. If you're new to pin trading and do not have a sense of the value (in terms of dollars) of the various pins, I'd avoid the professional traders.

Scrappers, Counterfeits, and Fakes: The second issue is scrappers, counterfeits, and fakes. For some folks this matters, for others it does not. You'll need to decide which camp you are in before you get heavily into pin trading. To the average pin trader, I don't think the difference between a scraper, fake, or counterfeit really matters (because none of these are legitimate pins), but there are slight differences.
  • A scrapper is a pin that looks legitimate, but is not. It can be a factory overrun (i.e., the factory was contracted to make 1 million, but they made 1.1 million instead) or a pin that has some kind of error that should have been "scrapped".
  • A counterfeit pin is a copy of legitimate pin made by someone that was not authorized by Disney.
  • A fake is a pin design that was never authorized by Disney.
Unfortunately, it's not always easy to tell what pin designs are fake unless you know a lot about pins and what designs have been released. These pins can often look like legitimate designs and may contain all of the markings (e.g., copy right) to look legitimate, but they are not. Luckily, I tend to think that outright fakes are the least common type of non-legitimate pins out there.

In terms of the scrapers/counterfeits, those are harder to distinguish the legitimate from non-legitimate. You'll often be able to tell a scrapper/counterfeit because the colors are weird/off, elements are missing or incorrect, or the back stamp (the copy right) is wrong/missing/damaged. Others say you can tell because they feel "rough" or the edges are sharp/pronounced. Sadly, there is no sure fire way to tell a scrapper/counterfeit. My guess is that it's easier to identify the counterfeits and the scrappers that should have been "scrapped". The factory over-runs probably look exactly like the ones shipped to Disney, so those are nearly impossible to distinguish once they're in circulation.

It's worth noting that if you do end up trading with CM, the CM lanyards tend to be filled with scrappers, counterfeits, and (to a less extent) fakes. So if you really dislike scrappers/counterfeit, I would avoid trading with CMs. That's the crux of the argument: those that dislike scrappers/counterfeits feel they cheapen the trading and make it not worthwhile. Those that don't care, tend to say that they like the pin, so it doesn't really matter if it's a scrapper/counterfeit or not (they also say that if you can't tell, does it really matter?). Both points are valid.

eBay: eBay is a popular source for pins, but it can be a tough place to buy legitimate (i.e., non-scrapper/counterfeits/fake) pins. The general rule of thumb is that you buy a "lot" of pins (e.g., 25-pins) and the price per pin is less than a couple of dollars each, you're likely buying scrappers. Also, if you buy pins that come in little baggies (instead of pin cards like the ones you see at the stores in WDW/DLR), those are more likely to be scrappers as well. My recommendation is to look for sellers that are selling pins still on their backing and/or unopened booster sets (also still on their cardboard backing wrapped in plastic). In truth, unless you only buy from Disney directly, it is hard to say whether you'll get scrappers/counterfeits/fakes or not.

3. Do you recommend keeping the pins on a lanyard while in the park? Or something else?
Lanyards are fun because you can show off the pins you've collected, but lanyards can get heavy, they can get hooked on things, and pins can fall off and get lost. If you're going to go the lanyard route, I would look into locking backs for the pins you want to keep.
 
I bought my son two starter/booster packs from eBay. They were around $20/each and each came with 5-6 pins. His lanyard also got too heavy so he would only take a few pins at a time to trade with. A good place to find CMs to trade with is the DLR hotels. The concierge desk had a pin board, the DVC desk had a board, the security guards had pouches with pins, and the gift shops had boards.

A PP mentioned getting locking backs if your kids are going to wear the pins on lanyards and I second that. I got a pack of locking backs at Michael's craft store and switched them all out. And keep the locking backs when you trade!
 
We were told if you plan on keeping the pin do not put it on the lanyard. Don't wear it. The backs easily fall off and you will lose it. Plus we were told if it's on your lanyard then it's fair game if someone wanted to trade for it. Only wear the ones you want to trade on your lanyard.
 
We were told if you plan on keeping the pin do not put it on the lanyard. Don't wear it. The backs easily fall off and you will lose it. Plus we were told if it's on your lanyard then it's fair game if someone wanted to trade for it. Only wear the ones you want to trade on your lanyard.
While someone might want to trade for it, there is no requirement that you have to trade with other guests if you don't want to. I've seen plenty of folks wearing pins (on lanyards, jackets, hats, etc.) that are clearly just displaying their favorites and don't plan on trading them. So, while I agree that if you wear your pins, there is a risk of losing them because they fall off, you don't have to trade anything you don't want to.
 
They sell trading starter packs in the park. Lanyard and several pins. Just get each kid one.


I was going to suggest this as well. Especially if your kids like a certain theme(for me its Star Wars), the kit comes with Lanyard and a fee pins and saves you money over buying individual. Plus they are guaranteed legit Disney pins so you can trade with any CM in the parks. Ask to see the pins for trade at every store as well. They will trade 1 to 1 for regular pins. Another fun thing to get are the mystery packs. The elemnt of surprise is fun and you see some older pins that aren't for sale anymore. If you don't like, you can trade.

I also suggest buying a pack of the screw on backs, so the heavier/bulky pins don't fall off.
 
We found for our last trip that we could buy pins from the Disney Store website (without lanyards) for around $5 per pin. We did not pay much attention to whether or not we liked the set, just which one would give us the most pins for our money since we were going to trade them away. We typically take enough pins to be able to trade 8-10 pins per day. We swap out on our lanyard the ones we want to keep every night so we aren't carrying all of our pins every day. As far as scrappers are concerned, there are two camps. There is a strong contingent of pin traders who feel like scrappers have diluted the trading pool and get frustrated with it. Scrappers have definitely diluted the trading pool and made it harder to find legit pins to trade for in the parks. But, on the other hand, my Dad has traded for years. He buys lots on ebay because that is what he can afford and does not care if the pins he gets when he trades are scrappers or not. If he likes the pin, it doesn't matter to him. So, collect however you want. It is really fun to trade!


Yeah thats kind of the funny part. Its not like pins are an investment that are going to pay your retirement or something. My and my girls got rid of all except ones we really like or mean something to us. Girls kept ones we got on cruises, and favorite characters. I have a few Star Wars ones I thought were cool that stay on my crise lanyard.
 
I buy the bulk pins on eBay. I would say 10 percent are scrapers. I toss those in recycling right away. I started with 15 for trading.

I try to only trade with cast members, so i figure the chance of getting scrapers is always there. I am more of a collect all the forms of transportation or all the cat pins rather than a value trader. I have had professionals go for pins on my pin pad so some from eBay must be genuine. One lady even wanted to go three of her pins for one of my eBay pins. Guess I had something she really wanted.

I generally keep a couple of real Disney pins, bought at Disney parks, in my pocket. If a guest asks to trade, I offer to put those on my lanyard and tell them I know those are genuine. Kids do not seem to care but I love the smiles from the parents when a person is honest with their kids.

Since I now ride an ECV, I am at eye level with the kids. I have had more ask to trade with me in DL than ever before.

Have a good time trading.
 
Wow, thanks for all the helpful replies! This gives me a lot to consider - and a couple of additional questions.

1. If you don't keep the pins on a lanyard because they get heavy and/or can fall off (both good points!), where do you keep your pins while in the park instead? Do you just keep them in your backpack, etc. and pull them out when you find a CM to trade with?

2. Do CMs get rid of the "scrappers" or not? And if not, then someone, in theory, could buy the authentic (and expensive) pins in the park and leave with a collection of "fake" (cheap) pins, correct?
 
Wow, thanks for all the helpful replies! This gives me a lot to consider - and a couple of additional questions.

1. If you don't keep the pins on a lanyard because they get heavy and/or can fall off (both good points!), where do you keep your pins while in the park instead? Do you just keep them in your backpack, etc. and pull them out when you find a CM to trade with?

2. Do CMs get rid of the "scrappers" or not? And if not, then someone, in theory, could buy the authentic (and expensive) pins in the park and leave with a collection of "fake" (cheap) pins, correct?

Well if you really get into it they sell little "purses" and books etc that have "pages" that you can pin them on. But I have seen people pon them on hats, shoes, shirts/hoodies, custom pad on ECV, you name it.

As for CMs and "scrappers", we have had CMs not trade due to ours being "scrappers", so maybe it jist depends on the CM and if they pay attention or not.
 
I think the pins are checked on cast members lanyards each night and obvious scrapers removed. You see a lot more "real" pins in the morning. But technically, a good pin, could be traded for a scrapper. Most of the pins being traded are the least expensive ones from the trading sets.

I have a pin pad that I found in a Disney outlet store. It fits in a large zip lock bag. I pull it out when I find a cast member to trade. It is just cardboard with a Disney fabric glued to it. I could not handle the weight of the lanyard either.
 
I've seen CMs in the pin store take bad pins off the boards. I wouldn't expect a minimum wage employee who is sweeping up trash to be a pin expert and have extra pins to swap on their lanyard. I always wouldn't expect them to take time away from their job duties to examine each pin after trading. I've noticed there are more unique pins on cast lanyards in the morning. But I've also seen the same pins on every pin board day after day without changing position on the board.
 
I buy the bulk pins on eBay. I would say 10 percent are scrapers. I toss those in recycling right away. I started with 15 for trading.
Wow, you must have found a very good eBay seller. The last time I bought a bulk lot, where the pins came in little baggies or loose, I'd say the ratio was the other way. Almost all were scrappers. Some where harder to tell and looked good, but a number of them were just awful (e.g., Belle with red hair or Ariel with brown hair).

1. If you don't keep the pins on a lanyard because they get heavy and/or can fall off (both good points!), where do you keep your pins while in the park instead? Do you just keep them in your backpack, etc. and pull them out when you find a CM to trade with?
I keep mine in a little zippered pouch in my bag.

2. Do CMs get rid of the "scrappers" or not? And if not, then someone, in theory, could buy the authentic (and expensive) pins in the park and leave with a collection of "fake" (cheap) pins, correct?
Yes...and sadly, I think this happens quite often. Some CMs do seem to try and remove scrappers from their lanyards and pin boards, but the vast majority do not have the time, expertise, or interest in doing so. Remember, not all of the CMs that are wearing lanyards or manning the pin boards are doing so because they like to pin trade or know anything about the pins. For a good number it's just part of that day's job assignment. I do agree that usually you find the best pins first thing in the morning or on manager-level CM lanyards or when there are special pin-focused activities. After you trade for a bit, you'll start to be able to guess which pins are probably scrappers (if you see them on almost every board/lanyard, it's a good bet their being sold as part of bulk lots on places like eBay and are highly likely to be scrappers).
 
Also, with cast lanyards, especially at events of managers, like figment mentioned, I'll sometimes ask if they recommend any pins. I've had LE pins pointed out to me twice that way. Just remember that you can always re-trade anything you change your mind about as long as there's not another copy already on the board or lanyard. When I started I bought 3 pins at the outlet because my friends were really into it, and I just traded and re-traded those pins when they'd stop to trade so I'd have something to do.
 

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