Breonna Taylor Grand Jury report

[JimMIA]

According to local reports, 25 of those arrests were for breaking curfew. The reason for the other 3 arrests hadn’t been divulged as of early this afternoon.

The other arrests were probably the people who started fires. The police had them on camera and were watching them. Officers on the ground probably scooped them up quickly.

Louisville,KY, is the home of over half a million people. Sounds like an exceptionally small portion of the population was arrested

LOL -- we're so used to comparing new Covid case numbers and positivity rates that we apply the same logic to arrests!

But I agree 25 was a small number -- and that is due to a number of things, in all probability. One is that the organizers of the demonstrations probably tried hard to avoid any confrontations and keep their work on message. Another is the curfew itself, and the fact that the city administration in Louisville has been very clear that the curfew would be enforced, and that no violence would be tolerated. And the police did step in quickly and effectively. Unlike a number of other cities, the local government policies and enforcement have been clear and consistent.

I would think that the mass pandemonium and mayhem predicted by some at the start of the weekend did not come to fruition.

Agree. I expected a lot more trouble and was pleasantly surprised.

But we have a LONG way to go, and there are lots of landmines. Another incident could happen at any time, there could be decisions made in court proceedings in a number of cities. Lots of stuff could crank things back up.

And as I posted earlier, there are some major problems with some of these cases where trials are pending, and any of those could become flashpoints.

 

[kymom99]

The other arrests were probably the people who started fires. The police had them on camera and were watching them. Officers on the ground probably scooped them up quickly.LOL -- we're so used to comparing new Covid case numbers and positivity rates that we apply the same logic to arrests!

But I agree 25 was a small number -- and that is due to a number of things, in all probability. One is that the organizers of the demonstrations probably tried hard to avoid any confrontations and keep their work on message. Another is the curfew itself, and the fact that the city administration in Louisville has been very clear that the curfew would be enforced, and that no violence would be tolerated. And the police did step in quickly and effectively. Unlike a number of other cities, the local government policies and enforcement have been clear and consistent.
Agree. I expected a lot more trouble and was pleasantly surprised.

But we have a LONG way to go, and there are lots of landmines. Another incident could happen at any time, there could be decisions made in court proceedings in a number of cities. Lots of stuff could crank things back up.

And as I posted earlier, there are some major problems with some of these cases where trials are pending, and any of those could become flashpoints.

It’s funny because the people within the state blame the city for not doing anything. Well, some very vocal people do. People are never satisfied. This is a situation where it is hard to win for sure.

 

[JimMIA]

It’s funny because the people within the state blame the city for not doing anything. Well, some very vocal people do. People are never satisfied. This is a situation where it is hard to win for sure.

Well, there have been some pretty serious problems. Two police officers got shot the first night after the announcement. And there has been some criticism from Louisville police of their command staff and city officials, but I think much of that is just frustration with the whole mess.

But other than that, Louisville certainly compares pretty favorably to several other cities in the quality of their local government response. They certainly compare better than cities who pulled their police out, or told them not to take any enforcement action, or bounced back and forth so much the police don't know what they are supposed to do, or had prosecutors who refused to prosecute those arrested.

And I think the city government responses -- good and bad -- are an accurate reflection of their communities.

I can't imagine why anybody would still be a police officer in some of these jurisdictions. I know hundreds of them are in the process of quitting, but I'm surprised that Atlanta is really the only city that has had any organized walkouts.

 

[NYCgrrl]

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I can't imagine why anybody would still be a police officer in some of these jurisdictions. I know hundreds of them are in the process of quitting, but I'm surprised that Atlanta is really the only city that has had any organized walkouts.

Perhaps the reality of the current economy and nationwide issues with how law enforcement is implemented have caused many officers to reconsider changing departments currently. A bird in the hand beats two in the bush.

 

[WorldOfPooh]

The man who was defending his home from invaders? Just because he shot first and just because he had a gun, does not make him a criminal.

He was a drug dealer.

And there was a murder victim/body in a rental car that Breona had rented previously. It just so happened that murder victim was an asssociate of her previous boyfriend who was also a drug dealer/gangster.

Whether she was dealing drugs as well, hard to say but she was hanging out with some real bad company.

 

[WorldOfPooh]

Well, there have been some pretty serious problems. Two police officers got shot the first night after the announcement. And there has been some criticism from Louisville police of their command staff and city officials, but I think much of that is just frustration with the whole mess.

But other than that, Louisville certainly compares pretty favorably to several other cities in the quality of their local government response. They certainly compare better than cities who pulled their police out, or told them not to take any enforcement action, or bounced back and forth so much the police don't know what they are supposed to do, or had prosecutors who refused to prosecute those arrested.

And I think the city government responses -- good and bad -- are an accurate reflection of their communities.

I can't imagine why anybody would still be a police officer in some of these jurisdictions. I know hundreds of them are in the process of quitting, but I'm surprised that Atlanta is really the only city that has had any organized walkouts.

I'm sure recruiting is way down.
The young ones are probably leaving and the ones who can retire.

The ones caught in the middle are the ones who need to make the next grade to get the better retirement pay. They've already invested so much of their life to the job that to leave now without getting the better retirement would be a waste.

 

[EACarlson]

He was a drug dealer.

Do you have anything to back up your claim that Walker was a drug dealer? I've been following the case fairly closely since March and have never heard anything about Walker being a dealer.

 

[NYCgrrl]

He was a drug dealer.

And there was a murder victim/body in a rental car that Breona had rented previously. It just so happened that murder victim was an asssociate of her previous boyfriend who was also a drug dealer/gangster.

Whether she was dealing drugs as well, hard to say but she was hanging out with some real bad company.

You seem to have conflated various facts. The former boyfriend (Glover) was the one the police were looking for. Her current boyfriend (Walker) owned a registered gun and shot the police officer.

“The 2016 incident involving Taylor’s rental car has been widely reported, and there are no reports that suggest Taylor was involved or was suspected of involvement in Bowman’s death”.

 

[WorldOfPooh]

You seem to have conflated various facts. The former boyfriend (Glover) was the one the police were looking for. Her current boyfriend (Walker) owned a registered gun and shot the police officer.

“The 2016 incident involving Taylor’s rental car has been widely reported, and there are no reports that suggest Taylor was involved or was suspected of involvement in Bowman’s death”.

Nope facts weren't conflated.
I mentioned that it was the previous drug dealer boyfriend that was involved with the rental car.
A murdered dead body was found in Breona's rental car. That dead body was an associate of the previous boy friend.

 

[sam_gordon]

Nope facts weren't conflated.

Then do you have any facts showing Walker (the guy in the apartment with Taylor at the time of the shooting) is a drug dealer? That's what you claimed here:

He was a drug dealer.

I mentioned that it was the previous drug dealer boyfriend that was involved with the rental car.
A murdered dead body was found in Breona's rental car. That dead body was an associate of the previous boy friend.

Are you trying to say the dead body in her car justifies her being shot?

 

[NYCgrrl]

The man who was defending his home from invaders? Just because he shot first and just because he had a gun, does not make him a criminal.

He was a drug dealer.

And there was a murder victim/body in a rental car that Breona had rented previously. It just so happened that murder victim was an asssociate of her previous boyfriend who was also a drug dealer/gangster.

Whether she was dealing drugs as well, hard to say but she was hanging out with some real bad company.

Nope facts weren't conflated.
I mentioned that it was the previous drug dealer boyfriend that was involved with the rental car.
A murdered dead body was found in Breona's rental car. That dead body was an associate of the previous boy friend.

You answered a post about Walker with the storyline of Glover so yes you conflated the two men’s histories into one.

 

[mrodgers]

You seem to have conflated various facts. The former boyfriend (Glover) was the one the police were looking for. Her current boyfriend (Walker) owned a registered gun and shot the police officer.

“The 2016 incident involving Taylor’s rental car has been widely reported, and there are no reports that suggest Taylor was involved or was suspected of involvement in Bowman’s death”.

Legally owned gun and concealed carry permit. There is no gun registry in Kentucky.

Again, the boyfriend was within his rights to protect himself with the 2nd Amendment from a perceived home invasion as were the cops within their rights to perform their duties following the procedures and tasks given by their superiors and within their rights to protect themselves.

 

[JimMIA]

Perhaps the reality of the current economy and nationwide issues with how law enforcement is implemented have caused many officers to reconsider changing departments currently. A bird in the hand beats two in the bush.

That's part of it. Leaving one career behind has many moving parts, and they are not all job related. In addition to the financial and potential retirement questions, sometimes the change means moving completely away from the place you've lived for years -- and those decisions are more about family and community ties than money sometimes. But people do make the move. I saw a report recently that said the Minneapolis PD attrition rate from retirements and resignations was double their normal rate.

Another important factor is that the police selection process is not something that takes a few weeks. I have a friend in HR at my old department, and they say our selection process is usually 9-12 MONTHS, and then it's often another 2-3 months before the officer starts our academy. There is not only the application process, there is a civil service examination, psychological exam, medical exam, physical fitness test, assessment center, and an extensive background investigation that takes weeks. So it's a long haul. We have received dozens of applications from some of the troubled cities, but nobody's been hired from any of them yet.

There are also a lot of variables. For example, some jurisdictions offer reciprocity for law enforcement certification. In those jurisdictions, an officer may be able to move without going through all of the police academy. In Washington state, they apparently have a situation where officers can simply transfer from one department to another and go right to work after a short orientation. A lot of Seattle officers are trying to do that to get out of the mess in the city.

 

[NYCgrrl]

Legally owned gun and concealed carry permit. There is no gun registry in Kentucky.

Again, the boyfriend was within his rights to protect himself with the 2nd Amendment from a perceived home invasion as were the cops within their rights to perform their duties following the procedures and tasks given by their superiors and within their rights to protect themselves.

Agreed up to a point. At least one of the officers did not follow departmental procedures and thus was fired and indicted for his actions.

 

[JimMIA]

I'm sure recruiting is way down.
The young ones are probably leaving and the ones who can retire.

That varies so widely it's impossible to make any general statements.

Historically, police recruitment has gone in waves. Cities would let the department get depleted and then would go on aggressive recruiting drives. The problem with that system is that then you get retirement waves years later that you have to deal with -- and then you're desperately short of officers again.

My department stopped that pattern many years ago, but it took us a good 25-30 years to work all the waves out of the system. It's much more stable now, but many departments are still surfing.

 

[WorldOfPooh]

You answered a post about Walker with the storyline of Glover so yes you conflated the two men’s histories into one.

Nope. Read carefully.
One was the boyfriend and the other former boyfriend.

 

[mrodgers]

Nope. Read carefully.
One was the boyfriend and the other former boyfriend.

Former boyfriend - drug dealer
Current boyfriend - not a drug dealer

You said - current boyfriend - drug dealer - in response to someone stating about the current boyfriend, "The man who was defending his home from invaders? Just because he shot first and just because he had a gun, does not make him a criminal. "

 

[NYCgrrl]

@WorldOfPooh - have another cup of coffee and you’ll see the light

 

[WorldOfPooh]

@WorldOfPooh - have another cup of coffee and you’ll see the light

You ain't making a racist joke are you?

 

[NYCgrrl]

Let’s talk about coffee why don’t we?