disabilities assistance Abuse

[MissSha]

Now I see what your issue is. You are thinking that things are still as they used to be. GAC changed to DAS in 2013. So not since then has a wheelchair or ECV been sent to the front of the line. And yes, this did pretty much cut off most of the abuse. I remember it well, because there was a very significant, very noticeable drop in the number of rented wheelchairs and ECVs after that. I also remember all of the people arguing with cast members about it. When was the last time that you were actually at WDW?

LOL....every year, sometimes twice each, since 2005. I'm going again in less than a week. Must...get....new....glasses....as I'm clearly seeing things that aren't happening

 

[Lilsia]

LOL....every year, sometimes twice each, since 2005. I'm going again in less than a week. Must...get....new....glasses....as I'm clearly seeing things that aren't happening

You are telling us that everyone in an wheelchair or ECV is skipping the line? That is not what is happening. There are a few where the lines are not accessible, so they are getting a return time, just like DAS. They don't just show up and get right on. But most lines are accessible and so chairs go through the line like everyone else. This is not our opinion, it is fact.

 

[ZellyB]

LOL....every year, sometimes twice each, since 2005. I'm going again in less than a week. Must...get....new....glasses....as I'm clearly seeing things that aren't happening

I think you are misinterpreting what you are seeing. Since you are seeing them return and get into the FP line, I presume you weren't there when they first presented to get a return time. And again, mobility scooters or wheelchairs alone don't get you a DAS. Maybe this time look to see if you see scooters and/or wheelchairs in the regular line. I can assure you that you will. Don't you think that if just a scooter or wheelchair got you to use the FP line that indeed everyone in one would use it? So why do you see them in regular lines? Because mobility issues alone don't get you a DAS. Could you also explain if when you say Front of the Line you actually just mean the FP return lane? Because as far as I know DAS doesn't allow people to pass by others in the FP lane.

Sorry if I seem short-tempered, but your posts are just full of misinformation and you seem to clearly think you can judge someone's need to use a scooter and how they are abusing lines merely by your brief encounters in a theme park.

I'd love to see the vlog you saw. I'm not saying that there aren't people who abuse DAS, but I don't think it's some kind of rampant issue.

 

[MissSha]

I think you are misinterpreting what you are seeing. Since you are seeing them return and get into the FP line, I presume you weren't there when they first presented to get a return time. And again, mobility scooters or wheelchairs alone don't get you a DAS. Maybe this time look to see if you see scooters and/or wheelchairs in the regular line. I can assure you that you will. Don't you think that if just a scooter or wheelchair got you to use the FP line that indeed everyone in one would use it? So why do you see them in regular lines? Because mobility issues alone don't get you a DAS. Could you also explain if when you say Front of the Line you actually just mean the FP return lane? Because as far as I know DAS doesn't allow people to pass by others in the FP lane.

Sorry if I seem short-tempered, but your posts are just full of misinformation and you seem to clearly think you can judge someone's need to use a scooter and how they are abusing lines merely by your brief encounters in a theme park.

I'd love to see the vlog you saw. I'm not saying that there aren't people who abuse DAS, but I don't think it's some kind of rampant issue.

LOL...yes, you are short tempered and if YOU read my posts properly you saw where I said I have NO problem with people using scooters, in fact it could mean the difference of whether they go to disney or not. This was not my post, merely a response to some else's which clearly DID have problems with what THEY labeled as "abuse"....not ME. Where did I say it's a "rampant" issue please? I believe I said "from time to time".

 

[MissSha]

You are telling us that everyone in an wheelchair or ECV is skipping the line? That is not what is happening. There are a few where the lines are not accessible, so they are getting a return time, just like DAS. They don't just show up and get right on. But most lines are accessible and so chairs go through the line like everyone else. This is not our opinion, it is fact.

nope....I'm not. I believe my comment, after the sentence where I said I have no problem with people using scooters (there was more) was ..."from time to time". Please show me where I said "everyone in a wheelchair is skipping the line"?

 

[Lilsia]

nope....I'm not. I believe my comment, after the sentence where I said I have no problem with people using scooters (there was more) was ..."from time to time". Please show me where I said "everyone in a wheelchair is skipping the line"?

Maybe if they waited in the same line as everyone else people wouldn't be as eager to "get some type of advantage"?

This is literally your quote.

 

[MissSha]

This is literally your quote.

LOL....do you see the quotation marks? that means I was quoting the person who began the thread. Literally

 

[Lilsia]

LOL....do you see the quotation marks? that means I was quoting the person who began the thread. Literally

People use quotation marks for phrases all the time. Your post very much looks as if you believe that those in chairs get to skip the line. Maybe try to see how it looks to everyone else and rewrite it so there is no confusion.

 

[ZellyB]

LOL...yes, you are short tempered and if YOU read my posts properly you saw where I said I have NO problem with people using scooters, in fact it could mean the difference of whether they go to disney or not. This was not my post, merely a response to some else's which clearly DID have problems with what THEY labeled as "abuse"....not ME. Where did I say it's a "rampant" issue please? I believe I said "from time to time".

Ok. Go on believing that your posts were not at all a problem that might have triggered the responses you are getting. It's my responsibility to control the way I respond to others, not to control what they think or say, so I'll remind myself of that and move on from interacting with you. Enjoy the remainder of your day and your next trip to Disney.

 

[MissSha]

People use quotation marks for phrases all the time. Your post very much looks as if you believe that those in chairs get to skip the line. Maybe try to see how it looks to everyone else and rewrite it so there is no confusion.

it's just that we all need to slow down and listen to one another. Just like in conversation, we're so busy plotting our reply that we don't listen to what's being said. Same thing is true in many of the posts I read.....

 

[MissSha]

Ok. Go on believing that your posts were not at all a problem that might have triggered the responses you are getting. It's my responsibility to control the way I respond to others, not to control what they think or say, so I'll remind myself of that and move on from interacting with you. Enjoy the remainder of your day and your next trip to Disney.

 

[Lilsia]

it's just that we all need to slow down and listen to one another. Just like in conversation, we're so busy plotting our reply that we don't listen to what's being said. Same thing is true in many of the posts I read.....

I am not plotting, I am going off what I am reading. You can not tell inflection in these written words so it is best to make your point clear. Now that we know there is confusion, how about you tell us your meaning.

 

[disney212]

I am 54 and will have my 38th surgery in September. I have great days where I can still run a bit and do a cart wheel. I also have days where I can't stand up unassisted. Most days are a combo of both. I have a handicapped parking tag. I could be one of those you have seen hopping out of the car with a sprint to the gate. What you didn't see was that 2 hours later my husband had to help me get back to the car. I also have a DAS but only use it on bad days or when I need to eat as I also have Crohn's so I will get a return time after I have eaten as I never know when my crohn's will strike, it sure beats the trips when I couldn't eat OR drink while at the parks for a fear of accidents. I would be happy to provide proof for a DAS just like I had to for my handicapped parking tag and my work accommodations.

 

[Weedy]

The problem with people thinking that certain people don’t need a DAS is because you don’t know until you walk in their shoes.
Something that more people can relate too is …how many times before you had kids did you say “My child will never do that (fill in the blank” How did that work out for you
I also think that on Disboards we see lots of people asking will this qualify so it looks like there are lots of people each day when in reality not that many.
One more thought with things changing with Fastpass I’ve read that a few more attractions may be going to Boarding Groups or virtual queues this will allow more people to experience other things when attraction lines get long. ** I know a lot of shows and other things to do will have to open to allow this.

 

[Branderson610]

I think some of the live streamers are helping fuel the fire that some are just getting DAS passes that might not need them. I have seen live streamers walk through the park for hours and have DAS passes, then they let all of their friends on the DAS line. Then, eat and drink around the park for hours every other day and when it comes to getting in line they have a DAS pass and it looks very strange.

 

[MS_Warrior]

Once, I asked a Disney Rep, why they don't require medical information like Six Flags does to get a DAS pass. The rep stated, they couldn't ask for that information because fast passes were free and monateraly there was no gain. Since, Six Flags charges for fast passes there is a monetary difference that allowed them to get paperwork because you are getting a paid service for free. So, maybe if Disney goes to paid fast passes they would implement a system that verifies for to get a DAS.

Except the DAS doesn’t work like a fast pass. With the DAS you get a return time that’s equivalent to the standby wait time. It only gives the DAS holder an alternative place to wait.

 

[MS_Warrior]

LOL....every year, sometimes twice each, since 2005. I'm going again in less than a week. Must...get....new....glasses....as I'm clearly seeing things that aren't happening

You are probably seeing them go to the front of the line after they’ve been given a return time. I use a wheelchair and when it won’t go through the line, they give me a return time equivalent to the standby wait time. When I return, they take me through an alternative entrances. (Space Mountain is the fast pass line). However, I’ve still had to wait the entire time. It may appear to those in line that I’ve been sent to the head of the line without waiting, but I’ve just been waiting in a more or less virtual queue.

 

[Branderson610]

Except the DAS doesn’t work like a fast pass. With the DAS you get a return time that’s equivalent to the standby wait time. It only gives the DAS holder an alternative place to wait.

Das does work like a Fast Pass for waits less than 30 minutes.You don't get a return time, the cast member usually let's you through.

 

[MS_Warrior]

Cedar Fair and SeaWorld parks do not have a verification system, but they do all more questions to advise what is safe for each individual.

This! I live about a mile from one of the SeaWorld parks and have annual passes. They have never asked what my disability is, or for a doctor’s note. They have a “Pass” that’s good for six months. They ask me several questions about safety only.

 

[MS_Warrior]

Perhaps this would not happen as often if people with scooters and their families were not put in the front of the line for attractions? Maybe if they waited in the same line as everyone else people wouldn't be as eager to "get some type of advantage"?

We aren’t! I’ve been using a wheelchair/ECV for years. Many years ago, the lines that weren’t accessible, we would get put ahead. However, for the last quite a few years, we are given return times. Most lines, however are accessible. Those with the DAS are given return times. In fact, this was such a big changes, Disney faced lawsuits over it from parents of children with Autism because they felt it was unfair. Disney won the law suits because it gives everyone the same access. Those who need the DAS or are in a WC in line that isn’t accessible, are given return times.

The only time a WC is put to the front of the line is at the buses and that is only for safety sakes to prevent to anyone from getting their toes run over by a scooter, etc.