If you are watching the coronation, are you team Camellia

[tvguy]

What! First of all Montreal is a city not a country.

Did you not know that the Queen (now King) was still Canada’s monarch for the last 40 years?

Yes, but I heard Montreal is a different world.
I really didn't think about the monarchy and Canada other than noting in posts that the Queen was still on Canadian currency. I thought the Canada Act changed a whole lot more than it did, clearly.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Yes, but I heard Montreal is a different world.
I really didn't think about the monarchy and Canada other than noting in posts that the Queen was still on Canadian currency. I thought the Canada Act changed a whole lot more than it did, clearly.

Well Quebec is unique but Montreal is still a Canadian city.
That’s like saying Sacramento has a different Head of State then the rest of America.

If you join the Canada military, get Canadian citizenship, etc you have to pledge allegiance to the king of Canada . It’s still a thing (but changing somewhat..)

https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/services/crown-canada/about.html#

 

[tvguy]

That’s like saying Sacramento has a different Head of State then the rest of America.

Many would argue that Sacramento and California in Gavin Newsom DO have a different head of state than the rest of the U.S. And to balance it out, some would say the same of Florida with Ron DeSantis.

 

[Skywalker]

Diana only stepped out after it was clear that Charles wasn't going to stop. Anyway, she's dead now and beyond any consequences this world could possibly give her, while Charles and Camilla aren't. They don't get a pass on publicly celebrating their prolonged infidelity just because the third party didn't react in an ideal manner when she was alive. Charles and Camilla are indeed fortunate, far more fortunate than either of them deserves.

If Charles' character is so weak that in his thirties he couldn't tell his parents, "If I can't marry the woman I want to, then I'll stay single," then it isn't strong enough for him to wear the crown. OK, the late Queen forgave him and kept him on as her heir despite the weakness he's shown absolutely no sign of maturing past. That's fine, and he's certainly not the only morally dubious man-baby to ever ascend the throne. But it should have been at least as low-key an event as his second wedding and not a lavish public celebration, and she shouldn't have been crowned at all. I realize that my opinion doesn't matter to them in the slightest, but there it is.

This has nothing to do with Charles having a weak character. He was the heir to the throne and he respected the fact that his life was not going to be his own. Princess Margaret respected the wishes of her sister and Margaret was not weak or a "woman-baby' (?)... It's just how it was done. Also has nothing to do with the Queen `keeping him on as her heir`...its not like she could pick and choose who the heir would be.

Personally I am happy for Charles and Camilla. There was a time when I would have never thought that, as I always loved Diana. However it is clear that theirs was no torrid little affair, they have truly loved each other all their lives. It was a mess but now they are finally together in their later years. Had Diana lived I`m sure she would have found happiness as well, she certainly wouldn`t be pining over Charles at this point. Time to move on.

 

[Jangles]

Not watching, it is too boring in my opinion

It is astonishing that anyone would describe a ceremony that is steeped in symbolism, rituals and traditions, which have been followed for over 1000 years as ‘boring’. How can history be boring?

 

[CdnCarrie]

It is astonishing that anyone would describe a ceremony that is steeped in symbolism, rituals and traditions, which have been followed for over 1000 years as ‘boring’. How can history be boring?

If it’s not their country I can understand it.

 

[CdnCarrie]

Many would argue that Sacramento and California in Gavin Newsom DO have a different head of state than the rest of the U.S. And to balance it out, some would say the same of Florida with Ron DeSantis.

Video from last September in Ottawa declaring Charles King of Canada.
All commonwealth countries with him Head of State did this.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/accession-proclamation-king-charles-1.6578457

 

[jo-jo]

....talk about a slap-in-the-face for Harry. He was seated apart from the rest of his family and was stuck behind Princess Anne's rather large red plume during the entire ceremony.

[...and he's probably thinking, "You're not gonna sit in front of me with that monstrosity on your head, are ya?"]

There were many wide brimmed hats. Thought I was watching my fair lady. I’d like to know to how those tiny hats on the forehead/ 2 inches of hair, stay on? Staplegun or crazy glue?

 

[MrsPete]

... I feel for Diana, she got a raw deal, they never should have gotten married to begin with. She was ill suited for Charles specifically and for a role in the royal family as a whole ...

And Diana was too young to realize how poorly suited the two of them were, but certainly older, wiser heads should have realized the age difference was too great and they had nothing in common.

....talk about a slap-in-the-face for Harry. He was seated apart from the rest of his family and was stuck behind Princess Anne's rather large red plume during the entire ceremony.

[...and he's probably thinking, "You're not gonna sit in front of me with that monstrosity on your head, are ya?"]

Here's why I feel bad for Harry today: Charles chose the Coronation date, right? And he chose his grandson Archie's birthday, which meant Harry had to make a choice. Seems like he was trying to nudge Harry towards not attending.

Charles said that she would never become queen. His first decision as King was to break his word. I think it's bad form ...

Eh, yeah. I think Charles has a lot of substance, and his interests are definitely good for his country and the planet long-term ... BUT I don't think communication is necessarily his greatest strength. He should never have said that in the first place.

... "Old Horse Face" as my mom and her 3 sisters used to call Camilla.

We think she looks more like a donkey, but let's not quibble. Seriously, though, while she's rather plain, she could've had a better dress today.

... At that time Diana was a naive 20 yr old who was very much in love with her husband and hadn’t yet realized that his intended purpose in marrying her in fact was to produce an heir ...

Was she "very much in love" with a man she'd only spent time with some half-dozen times? Or was she head-over-heels infatuated with the idea of a fairy tale wedding to a real life prince, living in the palace, and marrying a man who (she thought) could never leave her?
Not putting her down. Just commenting on her youth and lack of worldly knowledge at -- was she 19 when she married Charles?

Diana only stepped out after it was clear that Charles wasn't going to stop.

I think he believed he -- as a prince -- deserved /was allowed the best and the worst in love.
Best: He thought he was allowed to "step out" on his wife.
Worst: He thought he was required to marry an "appropriate woman" approved by his family.

... If Charles' character is so weak that in his thirties he couldn't tell his parents, "If I can't marry the woman I want to, then I'll stay single," then it isn't strong enough for him to wear the crown ...

I don't think any of us can relate to the way he was brought up /the way his family thinks. The incredible wealth and the requirements of duty. Plus, this was decades ago /pre-Diana when the royal family was even more rigid and more dyed-in-tradition.

 

[Babs Johnson]

I know this might be a more blatant tribute, but it seems like everything Princess Catherine does is made out to be a "nod" to Princess Diana or a tribute to her by the media. Right down to the colors she wears or an outfit that might appear similar. I understand the RF is all about tradition, appearances, and subtlety - but it makes me wonder how much of it is true or how much is made up by the media to make a feel good story. I have a gift of a pearl necklace from my great aunt, but I don't wear it as a tribute to her. I just wear it because it goes great with the outfits I choose.

They started doing it with Meghan as well, which I'm sure she ate right up. It's just something I've noticed through the years and has always bugged me.

Yeah, it’s kind of ridiculous at times.

Breaking news!!! Kate pays homage to Diana by wearing Mom jeans!!!





Kate channels Diana’s style with blue baseball cap!!!





It took me less than five minutes to dig up these photos, so imagine how quickly it goes for the “writers” who do this 24/7.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Here's why I feel bad for Harry today: Charles chose the Coronation date, right? And he chose his grandson Archie's birthday, which meant Harry had to make a choice. Seems like he was trying to nudge Harry towards not attending.

Harry was able to celebrate his daughter’s 1st birthday in the UK. Not sure why Archie couldn’t mark his 4th there. No need for ANYONE to have missed either party. I don’t feel bad for Harry…his choice.

 

[Living42Day]

Yeah, it’s kind of ridiculous at times.

Breaking news!!! Kate pays homage to Diana by wearing Mom jeans!!!

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Kate channels Diana’s style with blue baseball cap!!!

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It took me less than five minutes to dig up these photos, so imagine how quickly it goes for the “writers” who do this 24/7.

Yes! Catherine is her own person with her own style. It's like constantly comparing a son to their father, always having to live in the shadow. Let her shine her own light!

 

[CdnCarrie]

And Diana was too young to realize how poorly suited the two of them were, but certainly older, wiser heads should have realized the age difference was too great and they had nothing in common.

Here's why I feel bad for Harry today: Charles chose the Coronation date, right? And he chose his grandson Archie's birthday, which meant Harry had to make a choice. Seems like he was trying to nudge Harry towards not attending.

Eh, yeah. I think Charles has a lot of substance, and his interests are definitely good for his country and the planet long-term ... BUT I don't think communication is necessarily his greatest strength. He should never have said that in the first place.

We think she looks more like a donkey, but let's not quibble. Seriously, though, while she's rather plain, she could've had a better dress today.

Was she "very much in love" with a man she'd only spent time with some half-dozen times? Or was she head-over-heels infatuated with the idea of a fairy tale wedding to a real life prince, living in the palace, and marrying a man who (she thought) could never leave her?
Not putting her down. Just commenting on her youth and lack of worldly knowledge at -- was she 19 when she married Charles?

I think he believed he -- as a prince -- deserved /was allowed the best and the worst in love.
Best: He thought he was allowed to "step out" on his wife.
Worst: He thought he was required to marry an "appropriate woman" approved by his family.

I don't think any of us can relate to the way he was brought up /the way his family thinks. The incredible wealth and the requirements of duty. Plus, this was decades ago /pre-Diana when the royal family was even more rigid and more dyed-in-tradition.

Doubt Charles unilaterally picked the date - probably done along with Privy Council, cabinet, etc.

My dad sometimes was away on business on my birthday as a child. It’s not that big of a deal. I’m sure the family can spend Sunday together. Or the kids could have flown to England and spent the day with their cousins and celebrated with them but they chose not to do that.

 

[Tink3815]

It is astonishing that anyone would describe a ceremony that is steeped in symbolism, rituals and traditions, which have been followed for over 1000 years as ‘boring’. How can history be boring?

I don't really follow the royals, unless Harry and Meghan make the US news. I do like to watch the events for the pageantry and history. The USA is an infant compared to England and their history.

 

[Turn the Page]

I believe I read that Charles wouldn't have been able to marry a divorced woman (at that time).

He wasn't even allowed to marry a woman who wasn't a virgin, let alone divorced.

 

[SirDuff]

Technically yes, except possibly Montreal. The Queen set Canada free in 1982.

No, no she didn’t. As had been explained, we are still part of the British Commonwealth.

 

[Jangles]

No, no she didn’t. As had been explained, we are still part of the British Commonwealth.

I didn’t catch everything that was explained, but it was reported that there were four set of flags. The first set were the flags of the realms, the second of Commonwealth countries in the order that they joined the Commonwealth.

 

[Karin1984]

I am rewatching the BBC live stream, because I missed the start of the broadcast.

Gyles Bandreth (love him) said something interesting. This coronation will represent modern families. During the ceremony there will be a mix of two divorcees, there will be children, stepchildren, grandchildren and stepgrandchildren. And that's also how it will be this Summer when they have their holiday break. These family members will come and visit Charles and Camilla. And they really are a blended family.

Not how I had thought about it before, but it is true.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I know this might be a more blatant tribute, but it seems like everything Princess Catherine does is made out to be a "nod" to Princess Diana or a tribute to her by the media. Right down to the colors she wears or an outfit that might appear similar. I understand the RF is all about tradition, appearances, and subtlety - but it makes me wonder how much of it is true or how much is made up by the media to make a feel good story. I have a gift of a pearl necklace from my great aunt, but I don't wear it as a tribute to her. I just wear it because it goes great with the outfits I choose.

They started doing it with Meghan as well, which I'm sure she ate right up. It's just something I've noticed through the years and has always bugged me.

Of course. But in this case, everything about the coronation was planned to the nth degree.

It is astonishing that anyone would describe a ceremony that is steeped in symbolism, rituals and traditions, which have been followed for over 1000 years as ‘boring’. How can history be boring?

Exactly this as far as the history and rituals go.

Was she "very much in love" with a man she'd only spent time with some half-dozen times? Or was she head-over-heels infatuated with the idea of a fairy tale wedding to a real life prince, living in the palace, and marrying a man who (she thought) could never leave her?
Not putting her down. Just commenting on her youth and lack of worldly knowledge at -- was she 19 when she married Charles?

I think both. Yes, she was 19. There is a lot written about how they met and wound up together.

 

[mom2rtk]

Was she "very much in love" with a man she'd only spent time with some half-dozen times? Or was she head-over-heels infatuated with the idea of a fairy tale wedding to a real life prince, living in the palace, and marrying a man who (she thought) could never leave her?
Not putting her down. Just commenting on her youth and lack of worldly knowledge at -- was she 19 when she married Charles?

I think she thought she was in love. I have vastly different expectations of a 19 year old than I do of a 30 year old.

I think he believed he -- as a prince -- deserved /was allowed the best and the worst in love.
Best: He thought he was allowed to "step out" on his wife.
Worst: He thought he was required to marry an "appropriate woman" approved by his family.

Such stunning entitlement. I know, I know. He was a prince, and now he's king. But dang. Basically saying he was entitled to use people.