Hey!!! Im the one with the city job!!! Doesnt anyone have to work today!
I hate when this happens. So many things pop into my head as Im catching up and most are answered by someone else!! (Especially JJ and Sir Larry!) OK, here goes (warning the first quote goes back to page #2!!) My good friend Captain Crook:
If building a nice replica of an African Lodge in Central Florida isn't innovative, or importing African CM's, artwork & arifacts isn't innovative, or landscaping the area so properly that African CM's can't tell the difference between Disney & home isn't innovative, so be it. But building a zoo around a hotel has got to be innovative.
I agree.
Uh? Whaddhe say?!?!
Yep! I agree.
The concept for AK isn't awesome?
No! (well, that agreeing thing didnt last long, did it?) It is somewhat innovative (yes I disagree slightly with my Lord Liege Sir Voice). But it falls short of awesome. Very, very, very well done. And even somewhat innovative (or at least Disney enough to sell me on the animals off the back porch concept). I give it a very strong thumbs up!! But NOT awesome!!
Next some issues with the paragraph address directly to me:
Landbaron, I understand your view of me and that's ok.
Captain!! I admire you. And I love your sense of humor. Out of everyone (including JJ and AV) I look forward to meeting up with you again this summer! I truly consider you a friend. I know many people dont understand the relationship we have, and probably wonder why we blindly accept the verbal barbs we sling at each other. It has to do with mutual respect that goes far beyond our ability to even understand where the other is coming from. Besides, its hard not to like someone who is so logically challenged!!
But you of all people here, do know I'm not blind. You know I see and you know what I see, you just can't figure out how I get from point 'A' to 'E' without going through 'b, c & d' first
That was put perfectly! I dont understand it at all!!!
But seriously, if you guys don't think the AKL is Disney doing a bit of what Disney has always done (at its best)
See!! It just this kind of thing. I was with you, 100%, until that parenthetical phrase was brought into the mix. It is
not at its best!! Thats the whole point of this entire conversation.
then there is no conversation to be had and I must again bring up the 'ulterior motive' possibility.
And then further alienation continues with this nonsense!! Try getting to E by way of b, c, and d and you may begin to grasp the subtlety of the discussion!!!
If Walt had done AK, there would be nothing, NOTHING that could compare with the accolades that would be being heaped upon this place...
I daresay you are right. That would have placed it
before my beloved Polly. Yes!! True innovation!!
And a final proposition for you, my dear Captain. Clear your brain for a second (not that it would take long) and forget about everything youve heard on this thread about what could have been. Now, let yourself go for a minute. Full flight of fancy. Imagination run wild! Just think what a guy like Walt would have done with a resort with animals concept!! WOW!!! Now that thinking by way of b, c, and d!!!!
Scoop, my friend. Are you never in court!!! I blame you and JJ for the rapid growth of this thread!! (a lot good it does to have a city job!!!) Anyway:
It just befuddles me that several fellow posters anoint the freakin' Golf Resort as magical ("because it magically takes someone away to a...uh....GOLF RESORT?!?), yet finds fault with AKL?
I know others jumped all over you, but I really couldnt let it go. Were not talking magic, of course. Were talking innovative concepts. Quite a difference in my book.
AirLarry!:
I think it is unfair to criticize Mr. Voice's disappointment in What Could Have Been. If critiquing of this nature is done without bitterness, it is good for the Company. Anybody care to guess whether or not the Imagineers (instead of the Hotelleers) would have taken those treehouse villas from the golf course area and integrated them with the Savannah? They ran a monorail through a Polynesian village and a Cement Skyscraper, for Walts sake!
WOW!!! Did you hit the nail on the head!! Exactly!! Imagineers should have had a crack at it. I think even AVs description would have fallen short of their concepts!!!
Greg:
"Could have done more." Give me a situation anywhere, anytime where that isn't true Everything that was ever built, everything ever conceived could have been more.
I agree. And thats whats fun about conversations in car #3. We question EVERYTHING!! We blindly accept NOTHING!!! Its fun to try and out-think the builders. To try and imagine it better. To tell you the truth, I never even considered anything such as AV described. But now that I hear it, I have to wonder why. Of course that doesnt diminish the AKL, but it kind of gets you thinking what could have been if the Imagineers had had a go of it. Doesnt it?
We take this very, very well done resort and think about in magical terms. Is it a three run triple, an inside the park homerun or a Grand Slam??!! I think its fun. (and wouldnt it be nice if this were all we had to talk about? Triples and grand slams? Instead were talking about strikeouts, infield fly rules and games called on account of rain!!)
Scoop, oh Scoop!!
I likewise do not believe that Fort Wilderness was innovative because they simply created campsites or wilderness homes no different than any other existing types of campsites. To me Fort Wilderness is a wonderfully decorated campground but nothing innovative about it beyond its wonderful decorations.
Someone mentioned temporal perspective! PLEASE!! I must have visited hundreds of campsites before 1972. My parents dragged us to every state in the union (but seven). And I can garentee, honest to God, cross my heart, there was never anything, remotely as innovative as Fort Wilderness when it opened. NOTHING!!!! Please get off it!! You know not of what you speak!!!!
Larworth:
I guess my short answer is I wouldn't term AKL as tremendously innovative, but I also have no complaints about its addition.
Ditto
Lesley:
I think I need a new car..... the magic is all but gone, but I'll continue to visit as long as I can still enjoy myself and sniff out little specks of pixie dust.
Again
Ditto