FlightlessDuck
Y kant Donald fly?
- Joined
- Jun 20, 2006
No, we really don't
Every legal vote, not every vote.
I'm concerned that it seems like many people are willing to sacrifice legal votes for the urban legend of hoards of illegal votes.
The percentage of illegal ballots cast is minuscule. Much more likely that legal votes will be discarded, or not counted. I don't see a hurry, no one takes office for several months. We can wait for results, electronic voting machines can be easily hacked. The old fashioned way, with paper, and maybe scanners that aren't linked to the internet, is best. NM does it this way, they even audit the results. One of the best election systems in the country, after OR and WA which are mail in only.
Every vote gets counted now. However, if you know there are 'x' number of votes recorded, once someone gets a majority, the rest of the votes really don't matter. Sort of like if a football team is up 42 going into the 4th quarter, many fans will leave.
Maybe the states that are having these issues should look to those who never do and do it the same way they do.
Like a pp said, having to present an ID to vote creates an undue burden on certain populations & this is well known & mostly why it has been implemented. But my main point is that any attempt to regulate the availability of firearms is often met with the idea that regulations cannot be too much as to limit the constitutional right, but it doesn’t seem to work with the right to vote.I don’t know anyone who has an issue with showing an ID in order to purchase a firearm.
That's what I said.Even if a candidate wins in a landslide and that winner can be announced, every vote is still counted.
That's what I said.
Florida uses the same equipment that's used around the country. It's either Dominion or ES&S. Those two dominate the market. There's really nothing wrong with the equipment.
https://dos.myflorida.com/media/695246/voting-systems-in-use-by-county.pdf
There are only so many companies certified. A lot of them are defunct, although their equipment might still be used. For example, Premier Election Systems was sold to ES&S.
https://www.eac.gov/voting-equipment/registered-manufacturers/
I can tell you a big difference. Small towns across the country either have plenty or just enough voting machines, while cities never have enough. Ironically, the districts that are primarily poor or minority have three hour long waits to vote. Even in my liberal state, one nominee attempted to stop votes from coming from two college towns that were overwhelmed with new voters.
Even if a candidate wins in a landslide and that winner can be announced, every vote is still counted.
Why?
It is very expensive and time consuming to count manual ballots.
If there are not enough provisional or absentee ballots to make a difference in the outcome, why bother counting them? At that point counting is just busy work for the folks counting the ballots and a waste of tax dollars. I prefer my tax dollars be spent in a responsible manner.
Because vote totals impact more than just the outcome of the race. Trends in turnout and voting patterns have an impact on future elections, on everything from who runs and how much support they get from their party to printing ballots and allocating poll resources. All those issues of polling places running out of ballots and having hours-long lines? They're a consequence of decisions made based on previous voter turnout statistics. If you don't count all the ballots, you artificially depress those numbers and increase the odds of problems in future elections.
Why?
It is very expensive and time consuming to count manual ballots.
If there are not enough provisional or absentee ballots to make a difference in the outcome, why bother counting them? At that point counting is just busy work for the folks counting the ballots and a waste of tax dollars. I prefer my tax dollars be spent in a responsible manner.
Like a pp said, having to present an ID to vote creates an undue burden on certain populations & this is well known & mostly why it has been implemented. But my main point is that any attempt to regulate the availability of firearms is often met with the idea that regulations cannot be too much as to limit the constitutional right, but it doesn’t seem to work with the right to vote.
Um, they still know how many people voted, even if they don't discover how they voted.
In the example given there is no way the uncounted votes could sway the election.Complete the job....because election outcomes are kind of important.
They can get a count for turnout trends by physically counting the outstanding irrelevant ballots and not spending the time to open them. No need to know who they voted for just that X number of people voted.Because vote totals impact more than just the outcome of the race. Trends in turnout and voting patterns have an impact on future elections, on everything from who runs and how much support they get from their party to printing ballots and allocating poll resources. All those issues of polling places running out of ballots and having hours-long lines? They're a consequence of decisions made based on previous voter turnout statistics. If you don't count all the ballots, you artificially depress those numbers and increase the odds of problems in future elections.
I don’t believe anyone has demonstrated that having to produce an I.D. is an undue burden on anyone.
PP demonstrated that having an I.D. that matches your current address is somewhat of a pain for people who change addresses frequently (like students). PP also went on to demonstrate that there are systems in place to help such people verify their current address when it comes time to vote.
In my home state, an I.D. is $11 and it’s good for 6 years. I would not say requiring one is an “undue burden”. In fact, I would guess that conducting life as an adult without one would create all sorts of hassles outside of voting.
What we need is to have every vote counted. I agree with you OP that it should be that way even if it takes a couple of weeks.
I want all paper ballots, even if it take awhile to know the results. My voting site uses machines that don’t print a ballot. I want a paper trail and proof that my vote is exactly as I wanted it.
I don’t believe anyone has demonstrated that having to produce an I.D. is an undue burden on anyone.
PP demonstrated that having an I.D. that matches your current address is somewhat of a pain for people who change addresses frequently (like students). PP also went on to demonstrate that there are systems in place to help such people verify their current address when it comes time to vote.
In my home state, an I.D. is $11 and it’s good for 6 years. I would not say requiring one is an “undue burden”. In fact, I would guess that conducting life as an adult without one would create all sorts of hassles outside of voting.
Apply for a Missouri Identification Card
You must apply for your Missouri non-driver ID card in person at a local DOR branch. The DOR does not take appointments for Missouri ID card applications.
You cannot apply online or by mail.
You will need:
A full list of accepted documents can be found online.
- To surrender any out-of-state ID cards or licenses to the MO DOR.
- Your Social Security number (you do not need to bring in your Social Security card).
- If you do not have a Social Security number, you need to bring a letter from the SSA regarding your SSN status.
- Proof of name, and place and date of birth (e.g. U.S. birth certificate, U.S. passport, or citizenship certificate).
- Proof of Missouri residence (e.g. utility bill, pay check, or bank statement). Post office box addresses will not be accepted. You will also need to prove your mailing address if it is different than your physical address.
- Proof of any name change, if applicable (e.g. certified marriage certificate, divorce decree, or court order).
- Payment for the $11 ID card fee.
I don’t want to take it with me. I want to check it and then put it in a box to be counted later. You can’t do a manual recount here because there are no paper ballots.