Memorymakerfor4
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The state is officially at 22.3% overall with Kauai and Maui both over 33% for the April numbers. The May numbers are tracking to be over 30% overall with Kauai and Maui being over 40%. That does not seem sustainable for long.I suspect though once the unemployment cheques stop this fall they will start taking a few more risks and make a way for tourists to come back.
There have been multiple reports of residents being harassed when out and about because they are mistaken for tourists breaking the quarantine. I would not want to be in the first batch of tourists.
I don't think tourists will be welcomed back by residents despite the devastation to the local economy.
Parts of Hawaii have not been 100% tourist friendly even before this event.We are currently scheduled for Kauai in September and have been trying to hold out and see how things shape up, but honestly, after statements like this I fully expect to take my tourist dollars elsewhere. And I am not attacking what you said kdonnel, I have seen many other comments like this. It just bothers me that Hawaii has taken on such a "us vs. them" mentality. However, I can see it to a point given they are secluded on islands in the middle of the ocean. I really don't think Hawaii is the end-all, be-all of places to visit anyway. We have been to all the islands numerous times over the years and have seen a decline in the atmosphere and friendliness. Now whether that is from the influx of tourists, or the locals, i have no idea.
The state is officially at 22.3% overall with Kauai and Maui both over 33% for the April numbers. The May numbers are tracking to be over 30% overall with Kauai and Maui being over 40%. That does not seem sustainable for long.
There have been multiple reports of residents being harassed when out and about because they are mistaken for tourists breaking the quarantine. I would not want to be in the first batch of tourists.
I don't think tourists will be welcomed back by residents despite the devastation to the local economy.
So why would someone still want to visit? Not being argumentative but reading this thread, I don’t understand why tourists with attitudes like this still want to go to Hawaii? What’s the appeal for you?It is the unfortunate xenophobic behavior toward "mainlanders" and "visitors" portrayed through the media reports throughout Hawaii that is very troubling. I can only hope that the media is not portraying Hawaii accurately in these reports. We were planning on visiting late this summer, but it will be quite sometime before I feel comfortable taking my family to Hawaii.
it both is and isn't true...if you had to give it a single name...xenophobic kinda fits...if you take a bit more time to understand what it actually is for many...it only fits if you absolutely have to have a 1 size fits all term, or for media puproses...click bait.It is the unfortunate xenophobic behavior toward "mainlanders" and "visitors" portrayed through the media reports throughout Hawaii that is very troubling. I can only hope that the media is not portraying Hawaii accurately in these reports. We were planning on visiting late this summer, but it will be quite sometime before I feel comfortable taking my family to Hawaii.
We are going in November as well - Thanksgiving week - re-booked from May. Trying to stay positive although its hard sometimes reading everything on these boards. I just keep telling myself that SO much can change in 6 months.We just booked for November, everything including flights are fully refundable/changeable. Couldn't pass up $350 RT from Phoenix. We can always cancel later.
Parts of Hawaii have not been 100% tourist friendly even before this event.
I know that there are many places in the Caribbean that are just as nice and so much closer to me on the east coast. I have truly enjoyed all my trips to Hawaii but I think I will stick to the Caribbean or Central America for my exotic beach vacations for a while
Personally, I think Hawaii's beautiful landscape and tropical weather is a big draw for many visitors. I love to visit different parts of the world that look different from where I live (Colorado), but at the same time I don't want to feel like I am intruding when I am visiting.So why would someone still want to visit? Not being argumentative but reading this thread, I don’t understand why tourists with attitudes like this still want to go to Hawaii? What’s the appeal for you?
Thanks for the clarifications. I suspect we are seeing the media amplifying a situation that may not be as prevalent throughout Hawaii as the media is currently portraying. I do think that when the state reopens to visitors that any effort by state and local communities that voices a welcoming tone to encourage vistors to return (from wherever they come from) will go a long way to helping rebuild the tourism industry in the state.it both is and isn't true...if you had to give it a single name...xenophobic kinda fits...if you take a bit more time to understand what it actually is for many...it only fits if you absolutely have to have a 1 size fits all term, or for media puproses...click bait.
it is 100% true that you can find some people in hawaii that would like nothing more than for every tourist to leave and never come back (there aren't many...but they do exist...and have been around for a very long time)...some times they have very detailed reasons why...sometimes not.
when you hear about residents being mistaken for tourists...its more about behavior and actions than it is about where someone is from. many of the things residents blame on tourists...aren't even things tourists do...they just seem like things tourists would do (its kind of a "if you grew up here you would know better"...but in reality...no...many don't know better). in this regard someone who's lived in hawaii for their entire life could very well be mistaken for a tourist while someone who visits once a year or every other year could be mistaken for a resident.
the current situation with "residents vs. tourists" isn't really accurate as well...it would be more accurate to say its residents wanting to feel safe and not having confidence in their local government to be able to provide it...so some have turned to trying to get tourists to stay away (since repeated failures to enforce policies show little signs of improvement.)
for those thinking that "crushing debt" due to job losses will do much to change the opinions of the majority of hawaii...crushing debt is pretty much normal and very much widespread. what happens when it becomes too much for people...they move to another state.
It is the unfortunate xenophobic behavior toward "mainlanders" and "visitors" portrayed through the media reports throughout Hawaii that is very troubling. I can only hope that the media is not portraying Hawaii accurately in these reports. We were planning on visiting late this summer, but it will be quite sometime before I feel comfortable taking my family to Hawaii.
The media has been sensationalizing the anti-tourist sentiment. The vitriol is focused on the small handful of visitors who are knowingly breaking the 14 day quarantine.
However, you're 100% correct about the "unfortunate xenophobic behavior" and it's disgusting. This is an exert from a Civil Beat article (https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/05/tensions-grow-over-how-and-when-to-reopen-tourism/) that was published this morning:
One idea repeatedly discussed was that Japanese travelers would simply be better than those from the U.S. continent: they would spend more and follow the rules, according to the senators.
“U.S. citizens tend to not want to follow these rules,” said Sen. Donna Mercado Kim.
Keohokalole added that high-spending Japanese tourists are preferable to “wannabe Instagram influencers from the West Coast who are staying in illegal vacation rentals and blatantly violating the quarantine.”
Donna Kim is a serious, long-time power player and one of the most influential state-level politicians. For her to say something like that . . . SMH!
Yes, as travelers we all need to do our part to respect the places we visit. Some bad apples really ruined the bunch for a term “ugly tourist” to even exist. No one wants to be stereotyped in that manner. As I’m sure most people in Hawaii would not want to be stereotyped as Xenophobic. Hope we can all be more considerate to one another, so we all feel welcomed to travel. It will take all of us, travelers and locals alike.What really bothers me is when people stereotype an entire section of people. I live in CA and I am not a "wannabe instagram influencer". My husband and I love to travel and enjoy taking our children places. We always teach them to be respectful and thoughtful travelers. I have lived in Europe and seen anti tourist sentiment there to people from the United States as well as from other countries. It always saddens me. Sure there are some "ugly tourists" from all countries, but most tourists generally want to have great travel experiences while being respectful at the same time.