Not on the DISboard, no.You haven't been around very long have you? lol.
Well then, to be fair, you have to recognize that the room increase was one of the lower room increases of recent years. Meaning, the rooms increased but at a lower percentage compared to past years. So wouldn’t that show that the DME fees may have possibly been taken out of the resort/room fees? That alone would be stronger evidence that the fees were taken out starting in 2022 than they are being kept in.Because the cost of ME was built into the ROOM cost. So by your logic, for Disney to "no longer charge us for a service they don't offer" they would have to reduce the cost of the room. Which they didn't. Ergo, yes, they WILL still charge us for the service they used to provide. Just like they have with every other thing they've removed in the past.
The contract with Mears expires at the end of 2021. They could not have made this move prior to that.This decision doesn't even come into effect until 2022 - not now, not in reaction to COVID ... 2022.
Well then, to be fair, you have to recognize that the room increase was one of the lower room increases of recent years. Meaning, the rooms increased but at a lower percentage compared to past years. So wouldn’t that show that the DME fees may have possibly been taken out of the resort/room fees? That alone would be stronger evidence that the fees were taken out starting in 2022 than they are being kept in.
Because the cost of ME was built into the ROOM cost. So by your logic, for Disney to "no longer charge us for a service they don't offer" they would have to reduce the cost of the room. Which they didn't. Ergo, yes, they WILL still charge us for the service they used to provide. Just like they have with every other thing they've removed in the past.
How is that a stretch? Example: if Disney room rates increased at a 5% rate every year and then in 2022 they only increased at a 3% rate, how do you know at least part of the reduced rate of increase isn't due to certain fees being taken out? To your earlier comment, saying that the Disney rates increasing are proof that the fees are being kept in simply isn't true. Both of our comments, as you said, are speculating. We don't have visibility to all the line items in the fees. But we DO know the room increase in 2022 is less than it has been in the past. I don't think it is a "stretch" to think that part of the reason for the smaller increase could be due to the DME fees being taken out. Seems reasonable.Do you do Yoga ? You can realllllly stretch
Seriously, no, that wouldn't show that DME fees have been removed from resort room fees, why would it show that. We have no itemization of the bills, and no way to tell what is what. It might also be Disney foreseeing and potential issue in filling the resorts as they move to full capacity but with a struggling economy. We are all free to speculate of course, but dang, that's a bad take and one that, for reasons I can't explain, goes out on a limb for a company that has shown no reason to do so in the last decade when it comes to cost cutting and increasing prices.
How is that a stretch? Example: if Disney room rates increased at a 5% rate every year and then in 2022 they only increased at a 3% rate, how do you know at least part of the reduced rate of increase isn't due to certain fees being taken out? To your earlier comment, saying that the Disney rates increasing are proof that the fees are being kept in simply isn't true. Both of our comments, as you said, are speculating. We don't have visibility to all the line items in the fees. But we DO know the room increase in 2022 is less than it has been in the past. I don't think it is a "stretch" to think that part of the reason for the smaller increase could be due to the DME fees being taken out. Seems reasonable.
Incorrect. While it will vary some by date/resort, looking at the same date in January (Saturday night around the 20th) for the last few years at All Star Movies goes as follows:
2019: $163
2020: $170
2021: $171
2022: $177
Sorry, your argument just doesn't hold water. Not sure why it's so hard for you to accept that yes, Disney can and will and IS taking away a service, and continuing to charge us the same price for it. Just like they've been doing for years.
In all honesty, I didn’t check the rate increased compared to previous years. I don’t have the time to do that. I was going by what Tom Bricker wrote in his blog, and Tom is usually pretty accurate with those things. He wrote “If you haven’t paid rack rates in a while, those prices all might be startling. Once you get past the initial shock, that’s a pretty insignificant increase as compared to normal years.” Here is a link to the article:Incorrect. While it will vary some by date/resort, looking at the same date in January (Saturday night around the 20th) for the last few years at All Star Movies goes as follows:
2019: $163
2020: $170
2021: $171
2022: $177
Sorry, your argument just doesn't hold water. Not sure why it's so hard for you to accept that yes, Disney can and will and IS taking away a service, and continuing to charge us the same price for it. Just like they've been doing for years.
It’s not hard for me to accept anything, as you said. If there are facts to support something, then I believe it. I just find it hard to believe that Disney would charge for the DME if it is no longer available. There is a lot of negativity on these boards and I’m not going to pile on unless there is some real evidence that leads me to do so.
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Why - why would you think that Disney wouldn't do this ? I just don't understand? If you've been listening to investor calls for the past few years almost every call goes the same: "We've increased profits due to two factors: decreased operating costs (cuts) and increased prices" - This has been Disney's MO for years. Cut what they are offering while increasing prices. Or, charge for something you were already paying for (Resort Parking) and increase prices further.
Disagreement isn't trolling. The question of whether Disney is still charging for DME isn't cut and dry. From one perspective, they're not charging for a service they no longer offer. You could look at it from the perspective that Disney isn't charging people for perks, they're just using perks to get people to book at their hotels. Would you consider Disney to be charging guests for the extra fastpass window even though fastpasses aren't being offered right now?Why doesn't he understand? A troll, or just likes to get on sites and argue for the sake of arguing? Sounds like it to me!
I just use the "good ole" ignore button
Disagreement isn't trolling. The question of whether Disney is still charging for DME isn't cut and dry. From one perspective, they're not charging for a service they no longer offer. You could look at it from the perspective that Disney isn't charging people for perks, they're just using perks to get people to book at their hotels. Would you consider Disney to be charging guests for the extra fastpass window even though fastpasses aren't being offered right now?
Disney isn't going to lower rack rate room prices. Most people don't pay rack rate anyways. It's all about what kinds of discounts they offer, especially now. If hotel numbers are still bad after COVID is in the past, you'll see very good discounts come out.
Raise the cost. Cut the expenses. Make lots of money. People will continue to come because there are a limited number of alternatives.
will they, there are lots of people vying for those vacation dollars. Many of which are priced way better than wdw
will they, there are lots of people vying for those vacation dollars. Many of which are priced way better than wdw
Disagreement isn't trolling. The question of whether Disney is still charging for DME isn't cut and dry. From one perspective, they're not charging for a service they no longer offer. You could look at it from the perspective that Disney isn't charging people for perks, they're just using perks to get people to book at their hotels. Would you consider Disney to be charging guests for the extra fastpass window even though fastpasses aren't being offered right now?
Disney isn't going to lower rack rate room prices. Most people don't pay rack rate anyways. It's all about what kinds of discounts they offer, especially now. If hotel numbers are still bad after COVID is in the past, you'll see very good discounts come out.
I don’t even know what you’re trying to say.Ive got a billion dollars to bet on it, its that cut and dry.