Retirement. Is your state good.

We are in a tough spot. When we bought our house in 2006 it was supposed to be a stepping stone. However 15 years later, we are still in the same house. The 2008 recession did have much to do with delayed moves. Now that my DD is going to be going into High School in September, we would have to stay in district for another 4 years. At that point it doesn't make sense to move. Our house is too small IMO. We have a small yard. No garage. 2 bed 1 bath which in the last 2 years, the 1 bath is getting old. (Traffic Jam in the morning :D) If we were to sell and move somewhere else in town, my current tax bill would go up 2/3rds or so. So I would go from around 6K to around 10K for a 3 bed 2 bath on 100 by 150 lot give or take. This would be for how long? After 15 years we have the current mortgage and bills down to a point in which I can stack extra money on them to pay it off.

To put it in perspective. The house in which my wife mainly grew up in and her dad still owns, is 2500 sq feet. 4 bed 2.5 baths. Cul de sac. Built in the late 70s. The lot is 150 by 100 by 50 in the front. Has all the same services we do plus better telecom access. He was telling my wife they (her dad and step mom) were thinking about moving to a 55 plus community as they don't need as much house plus all the kids are grown up. 2 bed rooms are not used and so on. The grand and great grandkids come over every so often from the stepmom side. Then on top of it, he was complaining about how the taxes when up and so on. So I said what are your taxes and what are your services. I said like 12 grand here. Remember I am from NJ. It would be around 10-12K for the house where I live. He laughed and said they were 3500 something. My jaw nearly hit the floor. My Father in law's area has pretty much the same services as my residence location and is just over a 1/3 less than what I pay. Larger property. More house. They are retired but still the area in which my wife grew up in is pretty much middle class planned development.

Where my parents live in Sussex County (NJ) they pay around 8K a year. They have no plans on moving though. They said they will deal with the higher cost of living in NJ only because they have lived here all their lives. My one uncle (mom's brother) did sell his place down in Jackson about 6 years ago. Sold it for a song in today's market. Back then it went for a reasonable price but if my aunt was alive she would have gotten more for it. Private 14 acres. Farm assessed with a viable farming operation. It was an old cranberry bog. He harvested and sold fire wood. Raised chickens, ducks and geese over the years. Raised Koi in the pond. Grew veggies. Did it for almost 25 years at that point. He wanted to keep the property but could not find a care taker for it. The taxes on the property were super cheap since it was farm assessed was one of the reasons on why he wanted to keep it. Basically if he could get a care taker for the property, it would have been low cost living for them plus the sales from the farm side would have covered the taxes. At one point he was talking to a landscape firm about renting the property from him but the deal fell through. This company wanted a place to store the equipment and have greenhouses to grow plants. My uncle had most of the infrastructure in place which made it appealing to this company. When I was younger, I always spent a few weeks on the farm with them. It's was a blast. Go shooting one afternoon. Work on the tractor for a few hours pulling logs out of the woods. Chopping firewood. It took my uncle 4 large sales to basically sell everything off from that property. He now lives in Florida with his companion. When you are 70+ and have a lady friend for 7 years it is silly to say girlfriend LoL.
 
Jackson is like 30 minutes west of me, so close. Thats why I like the area Im in, farmland and horses with in 10 mins, go the other way and your at the beach. And yes, thats in nj, many dont think we have farms! Lol. And the prices 6 years ago were way cheaper. I think I did good conpared to what I can sell for now. Thats another reason im thinking of moving. Home prices around here are through the roof. I get other places are up as well, but probably not as much as I would make if I sell.
 
Also, @Sjm9911, I may have over-emphasized the tax aspect of retirement. The general cost-of-living angle here in Alabama is comfortable. That issue has more variables but there is more to life than taxes!

Ed
 
College town isn't a bad idea Ed, I could find work there, maybe easier then other places. Not much for me in my line of work. And I'm not really instrested in working for others. But, larger collages/ hospitals are always looking for public saftey specialists.

The University of Alabama (just a block over THAT way from me) has 50% tuition discount for faculty staff kids, Spence (and that's on the in-state tuition amount). Since your kiddo is approaching those years, that's an option too. It applies to graduate school as well. I'm sure that kind of perk is common with colleges all over. But it would lower higher education costs (and living costs during those years too) which is something else to consider for a while besides income, taxes, and cost-of-living.
 


Alabama is nice also. We have friends there. This summer we did a deep dive into Tn V Al with them. In the end about the same cost of living. The only thing that was way higher was cost of vehicle tags. There is some kind of tax each year as to how much it is worth. Our tag for our TT is $12 a year. All trailers are the same. Theirs was nearly $800. We also have 2 vehicles to tag. Maybe Ed could elaborate on this.
 
The University of Alabama (just a block over THAT way from me) has 50% tuition discount for faculty staff kids, Spence (and that's on the in-state tuition amount). Since your kiddo is approaching those years, that's an option too. It applies to graduate school as well. I'm sure that kind of perk is common with colleges all over. But it would lower higher education costs (and living costs during those years too) which is something else to consider for a while besides income, taxes, and cost-of-living.
Also you should be able to take FREE classes.
 
The University of Alabama (just a block over THAT way from me) has 50% tuition discount for faculty staff kids, Spence (and that's on the in-state tuition amount). Since your kiddo is approaching those years, that's an option too. It applies to graduate school as well. I'm sure that kind of perk is common with colleges all over. But it would lower higher education costs (and living costs during those years too) which is something else to consider for a while besides income, taxes, and cost-of-living.

And at least for Alabama, I think you need 10 years at the University to qualify for a state pension so you could possibly be a double-dipper when you ultimately do retire since you are still relatively young.
 


Alabama is nice also. We have friends there. This summer we did a deep dive into Tn V Al with them. In the end about the same cost of living. The only thing that was way higher was cost of vehicle tags. There is some kind of tax each year as to how much it is worth. Our tag for our TT is $12 a year. All trailers are the same. Theirs was nearly $800. We also have 2 vehicles to tag. Maybe Ed could elaborate on this.

My trailer tag is less than $20 a year because it is so short and light, Denise. I have no knowledge of what others here pay but that surprises me. I may try to look into why that is. Don't know if it would be state-related versus county-related.
 
MS does not tax retirement income. They do tax 401k, but not bad.

Cost of living very low here.

However, not much to do unless you are outdoorsman. You are however about 6-7 hour drive in all directions to find lots including gulf coast. Regarding taxes, I own 100 acres, 3 lakes on it, 2 barns, 2 houses and my taxes are $1200.

Now car tags, different story. Ours are among the highest. When I bought my trailer new tag was $600, depreciates yearly, but still has same tag from 3 years ago. Fine for expired tag is less than no tag. My F250 is 2012 model, it is finally under $100 a year. Alabama is cheaper on tags.

Recently governor moving to eliminate state income tax.

I own 30 acres in Alabama, which in my opinion is not bad choice. More to do and see in Alabama, taxes little higher but not bad. If I leave Mississippi I will go to Alabama.
 
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My state, Alabama, is a good one to retire in.

I know there are states such as TN, TX, and FL that have no state income tax and while that's true, it's not a free ride. Those states generally have some mix of high property taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, insurance, and the like. I helped one child start up in Texas and it was eye opening for him ("say hello to your Uncle Sam"). So in the end, you end up paying out regardless of where you live.

For Alabama, specifically, they do not tax pension or Social Security income. They mirror federal treatment on Roth IRA/401k distributions (no tax). They do tax regular IRA/401k distributions of course. The top marginal state income tax rate is 5%.

Alabama has a couple different "vibes" to it. Up north around Huntsville, it's high tech (NASA has Redstone Arsenal up there) and currently one of the fastest growing areas. My kids don't want to live in Atlanta and Nashville is starting to get crowded but Huntsville would be acceptable to them (it does not have as much of a southern feel to it). Mobile (and the Eastern Shore area) is obviously influenced by its proximity to the Gulf. More sunshine (and hurricanes). We have some nice mountain areas in the northeast corner.

Personally I like living in a college town. Beside the athletic and arts opportunities it provides along with the community related spin-offs, there is a certain kind of rhythm to life. I can get across town in 15 minutes (except for Friday afternoons) and if I want to live a more rural life, I don't have to go too far out to do so. People are generally nicer and friendlier.

I will say that property taxes vary widely around the state but most of that is driven by the desire for quality public education. In the Birmingham metro area (the biggest metro area in the state) the property taxes are a little higher because the money is specifically for the school systems in the Over-The-Mountain (southern suburbs). Homewood, Vestavia Hills, Mountain Brook, Hoover, Shelby County systems have all become adept at building/converting schools, hiring teachers and emphasizing a quality staff, making changes when promises aren't kept, providing arts and music opportunities as well as sports and academics. Eastern Birmingham suburbs like Trussville and Springville are also growing. The proof is when these school taxes/mils expire and have to be voted back in again to be renewed, they usually pass overwhelmingly. When I left 4 years ago, my Hoover house was worth $200k+ and I paid $1,700 a year in property tax (over half that directly to school). Compare that to my home town now (also where I grew up). Property taxes are low (I pay less than $1,000 a year and the house is worth a little more) but the public school systems aren't generally as great. Private schools have a stronger presence.

Alabama doesn't get the award for being THE top retirement state but it generally makes the Top Ten list.

Bama Ed

PS - and while I know pensions are becoming rare, what people do is roll over the pension lump sum (usually an option) into a separate IRA from other assets (don't mix them together) and can generally get a higher rate of return from investments than they would get for their money from the pension annuity/no-COLA option. Alabama allows this so you get the tax-free pension state benefit but can achieve better returns to try to keep up with inflation.

roll tide
 
If I had family/my kids were in Florida - I would probably retire there.

My daughter met and married my son-in-law from DE. They live in DE (north) and love it. Now that she is there, I keep hearing from people I know, neighbors, etc. that they are looking to retire in DE. I know of three people I used to work with who bought and retired in DE the last few years. A little further south/not far from beaches.

Yes, my son-in-law tells me that many NY, NJ people are now retired South of DE and many vacation in the DE beaches. He did mention that locals don't like how crowded it gets during the summer months. But you get this in many places. I love where my friend bought in Millsboro
 
I'd say anywhere in the Northeast is terrible for retirement. Taxes, cost of living, and weather. Beautiful, but not realistic for retirees. Lived here all my life, but it gets more expensive by the day.
 
NH is a great State if you don't mind the cold. We have 11 miles of coastline and an hour or so north, the White Mountains. We have State and National campgrounds in beautiful unspoiled areas.

Portsmouth is a gorgeous small city with amazing architecture from the 1600's to today and lots of restaurants. Kittery Maine is right over the bridge. Boston is only 45 minutes from Portsmouth. Maybe you like the country? Lots of large land lots to build your dream home or you can buy an 1800's farm and have a garden.

We have no income tax or sales tax. House prices and property taxes continue to rise, but depending on what you are selling in order to move you may make out really well. People are moving here in droves. Good luck!
 
I dont mind the cold, my kid dosen't. While I like the old style architecture and styling, I do not like plaster and lath walls, old single pain windows, knob and tube wiring, and fixing stuff that others cobbled together. So, the 1800s farm houses are out! Lol. I had my share of old stuff to fix in my life. But I have thought about it. The area is gorgeous, but thats what the camper is for :D I will visit!
 
I thibk the propert tax in delaware is like half of nj. Lol. I am looking, who knows. I do like this house and honestly am just getting settled. But I have to look at all options. In the small house I just moved from the property taxes were like 18k. Now im at 10k. So that was a win. Just not sure if I can take the taxes and hit on the pension long term. Our pension does not have colas, and I do not get social security. So I will only have the pension and it may be good for a while, down the line is where I will have to make up money or supplement. O figure if I cut costs now, it will be better later.

The house we left in NJ - 100+ years old, 3 bedroom, 1 bathroom, no land, no AC taxes are now closing in on $20,000! I am in a 30 year old large 5 bed, 3.5 bath, almost an acre, 2 A/C, completely updated and my taxes are $3,800 - and that is a top school system, in top district.

You need to look at real estate taxes, state taxes, weather as it will impact your electric/gas bill, overall cost of living along with schools. My guess you'll want to look south of where you are.

We also have home in FL and I think you can find an area that will check all your boxes. I know where we are is booming, top schools, tons to do and just under 2 hours from Disney.
 
The house we left in NJ - 100+ years old, 3 bedroom, 1 bathroom, no land, no AC taxes are now closing in on $20,000! I am in a 30 year old large 5 bed, 3.5 bath, almost an acre, 2 A/C, completely updated and my taxes are $3,800 - and that is a top school system, in top district.

You need to look at real estate taxes, state taxes, weather as it will impact your electric/gas bill, overall cost of living along with schools. My guess you'll want to look south of where you are.

We also have home in FL and I think you can find an area that will check all your boxes. I know where we are is booming, top schools, tons to do and just under 2 hours from Disney.
Lol, probably where I work and used to live.
 

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