The Running Thread -- 2022

My knee started hurting again last Saturday during a Peloton ride, which had never happened before. And while it doesn’t hurt while I run, it hurts the rest of the time. I made an appointment with my family doctor to try to get a referral to a specialist. My pt said it was due to overdominant quads, but I’ve been really diligent about rolling/stretching, and making sure I’m activating my flutes as much as possible.
I can’t decide if I should keep following my training plan (pretty low mileage and slow pace) or stop until I’ve talked to someone. I’m annoyed, because for the first time ever I’ve been able to follow a training plan without missing a single workout.
 
I'm not running Cherry Blossom 10-Miler but I live here, so I'm always happy for a meetup!



Ditto here too!

I live in the DC area, too...maybe this could turn in to a good meet-up!

But for those of you thinking MCM for a first marathon...it seems like the weather has been getting hotter for it every year. I did it in 2017 as my first marathon, and it was unusually warm. I think that since then, each one has been hot, and there really isn't a lot of shade on the course. The end of October used to when it was getting cool in the DC area, but definitely not in the era of global warming.
 
My knee started hurting again last Saturday during a Peloton ride, which had never happened before. And while it doesn’t hurt while I run, it hurts the rest of the time. I made an appointment with my family doctor to try to get a referral to a specialist. My pt said it was due to overdominant quads, but I’ve been really diligent about rolling/stretching, and making sure I’m activating my flutes as much as possible.
I can’t decide if I should keep following my training plan (pretty low mileage and slow pace) or stop until I’ve talked to someone. I’m annoyed, because for the first time ever I’ve been able to follow a training plan without missing a single workout.

I found your problem... :rotfl2:
 
No argument.

My sons, in spite of being typical skinny teens, were just not used to running and pudgy old(er) me would have to wait on them. The older son (no longer a teen) doesn't do any running with me, but the younger one does and in the past few years his endurance has way improved and there is a very good chance that he'll be waiting on me at the finish line.

So one of the few things I could still hold over their heads is about to go away, if it hasn't already. Just dang.
As runners, it’s tough to be passed by our kids. As parents, it means we did a good job at encouraging and supporting them. So either way, we win 😄
 
Well, after a DNF at the Princess Half, mainly due to half-assed training, I'm joining this. I was going to drop down to 5Ks (and yoga!) until I was pulled at 9 miles. Now I'm angry enough to try all sorts of new things.

What are your running goals for 2022? Big or small, share them all!

I don't normally do goals, but here we go.

Train. Really train. Not just a training plan one time for each event, but actually act like a walker/runner person again. I've gotten so lazy over the last 4 years or so.
Also, strength training.
Finish the next half. Finish it decently. I'm not asking to qualify for Boston or anything, but just to not feel bad about myself.
Continue re-losing this weight.
Figure out my feet.

I used this to make the decision to start a 200 hour yoga teacher training program, which I graduated from! I did a good job during the program but since it ended (and I started a new job) I haven’t been practicing yoga as much.

I did YTT at the end of 2019 and by March 15 stopped doing any of it. Didn't do ANY yoga at all until last Thursday at Magic Kingdom. Sigh.

in 2020, it was permission to stop running half marathons.

I had just done that, and then had the DNF. A few of us on the bus made a pact to be there next year for the Half. So I've got at least one more.

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I am 54 as I said - one of the most influential books and authors for me is Joel Friel - followed his work and training for years. In faster after 50, it discusses the need for more rest.

(sorry I lost your username in the quote)
I was just about to ask for just such a book. Thanks!

This was the first race I ever DNF too so that's extra hard.

I know the feeling. Sigh.

I have many DNS’s so I am trying to put it into the perspective that I am proud I showed up.

I'm proud you showed up, too!

Sounds great if you're working with young, energetic and competitive college kids that have time to run 7 days a week.

Agreed.
Of course, I was just such a young college kid in a varsity sport doing stuff like what was described, and going out on that sort of long run is what caused injuries that still plague me 30+ years later.

I was assuming those reading this just competed at Disney and are already in a fair amount of shape.

Not everyone "competes" at disney runs. Many go out to have fun. Tens of thousands on the course, a few win or place, and not that many more are *trying* to win.

And don't do a run/walk workout because it lets you "give in" to that mentality so easily. Like, "oh, I'm tired, I am just gonna start walking." I don't buy into that mentality.

Maybe...read some Galloway?

When I'm doing proper intervals (not the last few events I've done), my time isn't any faster, but I am human at the end of it. Many other people are faster when doing intervals than they are straight-running. It's not about giving up; it's about choosing to change the way you do events. In fact, doing it the way you described it isn't the good way to do it for most.

I am a proponent of going on how you feel.

That feels like it goes against what I just quoted from you.

His argument that finally helped me to see the light was simply that run/walk keeps the runner on fresher legs much deeper into a run. Fresher legs provides better opportunity for good form and not slipping into bad running habits. And that reduces chance of injury.

Yep.

@Sara W since you do run/walk do you do that in all your training runs? Do you do those intervals in a 5k and 10k or do you run continuously for the shorter races?

When I'm doing intervals properly, I do it for all training runs. My heart rate has ALWAYS been high, and straight-running can get scary. I'm also prone to exercise-induced asthma, and need those regular breaks. I developed that asthma in college while on the varsity sport, because I pushed way too hard. If I had known about intervals it would have been so much better for me on training runs, even at 18.

The blocks I can put to one side of my mouth and let them melt.

Just did this over the weekend.

You need water with those though right?

I don't need as much with bloks and sports beans as people seem to need with gels.

I would pop the blocks like a mentos

Yep.

My cousin said that the honey stinger chews at Princess were really good and helped to save her race. (she was ahead of me and wasn't pulled like I was) Now I'm intrigued by them. Previous products from that company haven't worked for me, but I'm willing to try.
 
Mostly I want to hear other people's experiences to confirm my suspicions that its a bad idea. The more I see people tell me that they had a bad experience, the more likely I am to convince myself to actually train.

I'm sure you've made a decision in the last 10 pages I haven't yet read. But given all the rest of the things you do, I bet you could do it. My first yoga teacher, when she was teaching a ton and also teaching pilates and spin, did a hilly 8K in Seattle with brand new shoes, having not run in 20 years, and did great.

Whereas I have low fitness right now (various reasons) and never hit 4 miles in my Princess challenge training program. Did the 10K (slowly) but DNF the half. My ankles were gigantic for days, I have a scary blister on the end of a toe and under the nail (no clue why), the back of my knee is feeling weird, and oof my back. Not. Fun. But when I was more active overall it wouldn't have been as big of a problem.

I'm kinda surprised that so many people are just willing to eat the registration fees

Same. Hurts enough to lose the $8 for the challenge medal from not finishing LOL. Only time I didn't do an event was RnR Seattle 2017 while at the end of being treated for cellulitis in my face. Bending down to put on my shoes made my cheek throb; all I could imagine was feeling my heartbeat in my face the whole time! The cost to get a doctor's note was the amount I would get back from insurance... I didn't even go to pick up my bib and shirt.

I fell kinda out of love with virtual races during the pandy when everything was virtual, but its been long enough since I did one that maybe that's worn off

If you're a Harry Potter fan, check out the Potterhead Running Club. It's a group on FB and also a website. Their virtuals aren't free, but they are well-designed medals.

My PT was talking about why he often recommends cycling for runners that are injured. The medical reason is that it starts to reload the injury site. The mental reason is that it gives runners something to do to burn off the crazies.

See the yoga teacher story above. She taught a killer spin class, and did very well in a hilly run. I didn't do VERY well, but I did well. The quad and hamstring strength you can get is awesome.

there was a whole bit on Buns of Steel. I never got into it at the time, but it sounds like it was focused on "buns" and thighs? Doesn't this sound perfect for runners?

My son is a ballet dancer and has, as you might guess, very strong muscles in those areas, and he can go out and run fast. Worth a try, I think.
 
QOTD: What does everyone do with their race shirts?

I've been running on and off for over a decade now and have accumulated quite the collection. I picked a few favorites that are in my regular running rotation. All the regular cotton type t shirts are currently in a pile waiting to be donated but what to do with the other technical shirts? They've been in a box for nearly two years so I obviously don't need them and honestly forgot they even existed but now I feel strangely attached... I've thought about the quilt or bag upcycle but the two things I need less than shirts are bags and blankets (followed closely by water bottles 😆).
 
Yeah, I run portions of the MCM route on longer training runs, so I like the idea of familiarity too. The beginning in Rosslyn is going to be pretty hilly but otherwise not too bad. I've also never run Pentagon City/Crystal City so that would be fun to experience. The only part of the course I really hate is the out-and-back around Hains Point, because I just find it kind of boring. But at least it's in the middle.
I had a marine yell at me to start running at the water stop in Crystal City. That was around mi 21 and at that point I decided I was going to just jump off the course at my hotel (around mi 24). When I didn't see it I asked a spectator where it was and he said I had passed it. I've never been so sad to be so close to the finish! But it's still my favorite race. (I went to grad school in DC and lived in Arlington for a bit after).
 
ATTQOTD: I use the Disney ones for throw away clothes thanks to their long sleeves. The rest sit in a drawer until it’s time to move, at which point most get donated. I keep very few, only those from significant or special events.
 
ATTQOTD:

I've started selecting a huge size (for me) when I know the shirts are going to be cotton or cotton/poly and use them as pajamas. So far, the only races I've run that gave out tech-fabric shirts has been disney (we had the option to buy one at another race, but it was the exact same design as the free shirt) and since it was my first trip you can bet that I'm keeping them.
 
ATTQOTD:
So far, I’ve been using mine. It was great for winter running to be able to layer tech shirts (I’m hoping I’m past the point of needing that many layers to run outside now). And my next training plan is going up to 4 day/week of running, so having a bunch of shirts on hand will cut down on the number of laundry days needed.
 
QOTD:
What race are you most excited to run this year...2022? (Or to try to sign up for.)

A little late, but I did want to come back to this question. The one race that I am really excited about is our annual Turkey Trot - and my goal is to do it while healthy for the first time. In 2018 and 2019, I was working back from injuries. Very limited in-person race in 2020 and I had no interested in doing virtual. In 2021, my PT nixed the concept week of the race. I've enjoyed the race (the course is straight and very familiar as it goes right by where I work), but really want to go in feeling good for once. (Watch, this will be the year that we get a foot of snow the night before the race :crazy2: )
 
My knee started hurting again last Saturday during a Peloton ride, which had never happened before. And while it doesn’t hurt while I run, it hurts the rest of the time. I made an appointment with my family doctor to try to get a referral to a specialist. My pt said it was due to overdominant quads, but I’ve been really diligent about rolling/stretching, and making sure I’m activating my flutes as much as possible.
I can’t decide if I should keep following my training plan (pretty low mileage and slow pace) or stop until I’ve talked to someone. I’m annoyed, because for the first time ever I’ve been able to follow a training plan without missing a single workout.
I hope that this article might help and provide greater insight. Get into the gym and I hope that you feel better. https://www.runnersworld.com/health-injuries/a24216773/quad-dominant-running/
 
I hope that this article might help and provide greater insight. Get into the gym and I hope that you feel better. https://www.runnersworld.com/health-injuries/a24216773/quad-dominant-running/
Thank you for the article. The funny thing is, that when I'm doing squats/deadlifts, I have no issues activating my glutes, it's once I start moving that the quads take over. I saw someone recommend doing some clamshells/glute bridges as a warmup, to help activate the glutes, so I'll be trying that next.
 
Thank you for the article. The funny thing is, that when I'm doing squats/deadlifts, I have no issues activating my glutes, it's once I start moving that the quads take over. I saw someone recommend doing some clamshells/glute bridges as a warmup, to help activate the glutes, so I'll be trying that next.
That sounds interesting. Try out a bunch of things until you find what works for you. FWIW, I‘ve been following the advice in this video before my runs since I started training for the marathon last August.
 
That sounds interesting. Try out a bunch of things until you find what works for you. FWIW, I‘ve been following the advice in this video before my runs since I started training for the marathon last August.
I'll have to watch that when I get home. I admit that I don't really do anything to warm up before running, so that might playing a part in it as well.
 
ATTQOTD: I pile mine in the closet and use the few I can get to for training runs. I am planning a cull for this weekend, so paying attention to these responses!

I saw someone in the expo line at Princess who had made a skirt out of all the old Princess t-shirts. It was kind of cute!
 

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