Treehouse Villas part of Saratoga Springs?...Maybe!

tjkraz

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Courtesy of Jim Hill Media and Scott Liljenquist. Not exactly rock-solid information, but certainly an informed opinion on the future of the Treehouses.

The maintenance talk does trouble me a bit. I'm wondering, would DVC be compelled to subsidize early purchasers if the treehouses were later incorporated into SSR with significantly higher maintenance costs? (Dean, are you there? :) )

Of course, with well over 10 million points at SSR, the higher maintenance requirements for those buildings may be barely a blip on the radar.

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Next up, William writes in to ask:

Do you know why the Tree House Villas at Walt Disney World have never reopened? They were "temporarily" closed after 9/11 and they have never reopened. When taking the boat launch from Port Orleans to Downtown Disney, the Tree House Villas are still visible. The only problem is they still have trees and tree branches on top of them from the hurricanes of last year. It looks like nothing has been done to repair them or even clean up the downed trees. I would really like to know why this resort remains abandoned and neglected.

You know, I'm not actually sure about this one, William. So why don't we turn to JHM resident WDW hotel expert -- Scott Liljenquist of Mouseketrips.com -- and see what he has to say about what's going with the Treehouse Villas at Disney World? Scott?

That's an interesting question, William, and one that we get asked quite often. Apparently there is still plenty of interest in the Treehouse Villas if the number of inquiries we get is any indication.

First a little history for those who might not be familiar with the Treehouse Villas. Disney announced plans in 1973 for a permanent residential area to be constructed on Walt Disney World property. To be called Lake Buena Vista, it was to have included townhomes, single family homes, apartments, condos, a shopping area, and recreation facilities. The 60 Treehouse Villas were built in 1975 as a part of this project, which was renamed the Village Resort in 1985 when the original residential concept was abandoned.

The Treehouse Villas are two-story, octagonal-shaped structures that feature 3 bedrooms, a living room area, full kitchen, dining area, and two bathrooms. Located right on the bank of the Sassagoula River, each Treehouse Villa is a free-standing structure and is surrounded by trees and wooded areas. The second floor is cantilevered and makes for a very interesting architectural design.

The entire Village Resort and along with the Treehouse Villas were absorbed in 1996 into the Villas at the Disney Institute, Michael Eisner's "Education on Vacation" concept. You can see the villas at the north eastern end of the property in an original property map below.

All of the Treehouse Villas were closed in 2001 after 9/11, with an undetermined future as a reopening date was never set. Although given a valiant effort, Disney in late 2002 finally determined that the "educational vacation" was just not appealing to visitors and closed the Disney Institute permanently. The Disney Institute land was to be turned over to the Disney Vacation Club for construction of Saratoga Springs, a new vacation ownership property which opened its first phase in 2004.

The Treehouses, however, remain closed. Why For? The Treehouse Villas, as they currently exist, don't fit architecturally in the theme of Saratoga Springs and would require extensive renovation in order to make them inhabitable again. In addition, the freestanding construction of each unit dramatically increases maintenance and housekeeping costs.

Disney would ultimately like to tear down the Treehouses and replace them with another phase of Saratoga Springs, but they can't. The Warren S. Henderson Wetlands Protection Act of 1984 prohibits most new construction in any area designated as wetlands. The Treehouse Villas property, located as it is on the shore of the river, falls under this Wetlands Protection Act, which means that new construction on the scale desired by Disney would not be allowed.

However, because the Treehouses existed before the passage of the act, they are "grandfathered" in and may remain as they are currently constructed. They can be maintained under strict guidelines, and can be improved or renovated under even more strict guidelines, and therein lies the problem for Disney. Do they renovate and reopen the Treehouses as an ill-fitting and maintenance intensive part of Saratoga Springs, do they tear down the Treehouses and not re-use the land, or do they just leave the Treehouses as-is until a better plan can be devised?

As anyone who has taken the Sassagoula River Cruise or the water taxi from Port Orleans to Downtown Disney knows, option number 3 seems to be the choice for now. The Treehouse Villas are still visible from the boat, and most captains will gladly discuss the history and future of the Treehouses if asked.

Most of the Treehouses are empty, although some are used for storage. Disney, in an attempt to maintain a good image for the property, has connected lighting in the Treehouses to timers so that lights are on at night to prevent the appearance of abandonment.

This strategy was working well until last fall. As most of you know, the area was pounded by three powerful hurricanes. The Treehouse Villas suffered severe damage from water and fallen trees, most of which was clearly visible from the water taxis.

Disney wanted to clean up the damage with the same speed and efficiency with which the rest of the hurricane damage on property was handled. However, a long, intensive governmental permitting process had to be commenced in order to fix the damage within the confines of the Wetlands Protection Act. Permission was finally given earlier this summer for Disney to repair the storm damage. The fallen trees have been removed, the damaged roofs have been repaired, and a couple of the decks that were destroyed have been rebuilt.

So what's the future of the Treehouse Villas? Disney has begun the long permitting process required to renovate the property. Current speculation has Disney renovating the Treehouses from the inside out and reopening them at a future date as a part of Saratoga Springs.

Our guess is that, assuming the necessary permits can be secured, that the Treehouses will reopen when they can be accessed from Saratoga Springs without having to travel through any of the current construction areas.


We hope they do. The Treehouse Villas are a unique experience at Walt Disney World, and were a fun place to stay. As they existed previously they were a fairly reasonably priced lodging that would accommodate up to 6 people. They were secluded and private, and the wooded, rustic setting was a welcome change.
 
I can't imagine the number of points those puppies would command if they went through with this, but I am sure that some GV renters would be VERY interested in having such a private place occasionally! (I would - but we are far from having enough points for a GV and don't have any interest in banking/borrowing all our vacations away for 3 years to get one).

Someone would have to pay for the renovations and I am guessing it would be us. Disney might be willing to GIVE the DVC the property just to get it off of their plate (sounds like a nightmare of paperwork and govt regulation as well).

I hate to pass by them and see them just sitting there rotting though, so I hope SOMETHING is done with them sooner rather than later when they are WAY beyond repair. (I can only imagine what months and months with damaged roofs have already done and what happens if there is another hurricane after they have been refurbed? Would they simply close them down for months again until they got permission to repair them? Might not be worth the risk when you look at it from that perspective).

Laura
 
How popular would having SSR as a home resort be if that happened??!! Too cool. Although, I'd probably never have enough points.
 
I think it would be cool if DVC could take them over and try a 'new twist' to the membership approach. Sort of blending the current DVC 'plan' with the orginal plan

Disney announced plans in 1973 for a permanent residential area to be constructed on Walt Disney World property. To be called Lake Buena Vista, it was to have included townhomes, single family homes, apartments, condos

Perhaps selling the units on a basis of a "life estate" to the buyers.
 
I'd definately try them at least once. I love rustic and would like a Disney Vacation where we could be "alone" when we got home at night. Love to see what happens here.
 
lllovell said:
Someone would have to pay for the renovations and I am guessing it would be us.

That wouldn't be true. Disney Vacation Development would have to pay whomever owns the buildings now to acquire the property, and be responsible for getting the property up to move-in condition. They would then be compensated via the initial purchase fees (i.e. $98 per point).

But the upkeep would certainly be part of member dues.
 
tjkraz said:
That wouldn't be true. Disney Vacation Development would have to pay whomever owns the buildings now to acquire the property, and be responsible for getting the property up to move-in condition. They would then be compensated via the initial purchase fees (i.e. $98 per point).

But the upkeep would certainly be part of member dues.

right...right...wasn't thinking that part through

I would still be VERY concerned about buying a piece of property that it takes months to get approval to repair after a hurricane (of course, we don't know that Disney was in that big of a hurry really...but I suspect they were)
 
We love the Treehouses, and I think they could be very workable with SSR. Keep the footprint and rebuild the extertior to look like an early 1900's riverside gazebo. Rename them "The Gazebos" and assign points somewhere between a 2 bedroom and a GV. They'd fill up fast.


DisFlan
 
Years ago when we first started going to WDW I wanted to stay in one of the treehouses but could not afford the price. As we returned with our kids later we definintly could not afford the price. Now that we are DVC owners and the kids have flown the coup and we could afford them, they are closed. I do hope they re-open as a DVC property. I could then try at out 7 mo. window to get one for a stay...smjj
 
as an alternative to staying at Okw for the winter.
Ideal retirement homes on a golf course.
 
I believe you will be able to purchase them

as an alternative to staying at Okw for the winter.
Ideal retirement homes



--that's my hope as well! :)
 
tjkraz, since you singled me out, I'll respond. I have no specific information. We've actually discussed this a year or two ago on DIS. IMO, for what it's worth, I don't see anyway DVC would incorporate them in any way. They are old and would have to be totally redone. I don't think they could be brought up to DVC standards under the rules in place. But if they were, I think they would raise the maint fees significantly over time. I think Disney is in a no win situation. I suspect it would cost more than they were worth to renovate them. Disney would be best served to move the functions they're using the fairway villas for since I think most of those will be torn down for the 3rd phase of SSR. I think they're using some of them (fairway villas) for college and temp housing.

And to be honest, I can't see them being in high demand.
 
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Far as I know the Fairway Villas are already gone. They were coming down when we visited back in May, and folks have since reported that ground work has begun in that area for the final villas.

I think demand for the Treehouses would depend a lot on the point costs. SSR already has nearly 40 Grand Villas scheduled for construction, all with point costs (like BWV) even higher than a 2B + Studio. So, the GVs are already a luxury item. From the description posted above, it sounds like the Treehouses are at least as attractive as a GV, if not moreso given the unique architecture and stand-alone design. I have my doubts as to whether the DVC program can support another 50-60 luxury-level units added to the inventory.
 
The Warren S. Henderson Wetlands Protection Act of 1984 prohibits most new construction in any area designated as wetlands.

Would that mean no pool? :earseek: That would be one heck of a walk to High Rock Springs!
 
They wouldn't appeal to my family at all. As they are now, they look like an eyesore. I think they should just tear them down. Oh, and I do think they have some tiny little pool complex (think back yard size) or at least they did. I do not think they should be part of a pretty resort like SSR.
 
magicmouse2 said:
i would stay in one. They remind me of the Ewok village from return of the jedi!


They do! :rotfl:

I think they should just tear them down, but DH would think otherwise as he used to stay in them as a kid with his family - sentimental value I guess???
 
Interesting concept and with refurb I think they could be great for some families, but just not ours at this point. Maybe when the we ones are a tad older!

Cheers
 
We stayed in the tree houses around '89 or '90. Wouldn't do it again. We found the layout to be awkward. There is a bedroom on the lower level which was accessed via a narrow winding iron staircase. All other room were on the upper level. The deck, which is off the upper level was very dirty because of all the vegetation. The area was very dark at night.

The worse part was our van (parked in the driveway directly in front of the treehouse) was broken into during the night. Disney security came but we actually had to call the local police ourselves. Disney wanted to keep it quiet. I didn't feel safe. On subsequent trips we noticed that there was a guard gate, so maybe things got better.

We've been DVC member since "92 and I know I would never want to stay in the treehouses. In my opinion it would take a major overhaul to become popular.
 

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