How do they close all the beaches?

[wilkeliza]

I wonder though if they just put Danger Alligator what's the protection if someone get's bit by a snake. So sad that we have to spell everything out. I think there needs to be a danger sign but what's to stop someone from claiming they didn't know there was potential for poisonous snakes in the water so since they saw no alligators they thought they were safe?

 

[A Mickeyfan]

I have a feeling they will be regularly rounding up gators from the lagoon. It's going to be a full time job.

They have more than that one body of water. Gators are natural to FL waters, it will be literally impossible to keep them off Disney property totally

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Obviously by "beach closed" they mean don't stop and linger on the sand. Walking to the water should be okay.

You got me lol

 

[A Mickeyfan]

"No Swimming" to me means they do not want you going into the water and doing freestyle, breast stroke, backstroke, etc or going deep enough where you can tread water. The signs need to say "Do Not Enter Water- alligators reside in these waters" with a picture of a gator. That makes it clear.

But it's not just gators, there's amoebas and cotton mouths too

 

[SaintsManiac]

They have more than that one body of water. Gators are natural to FL waters, it will be literally impossible to keep them off Disney property totally

I never said they would keep them off totally. I feel they will be more aggressive about monitoring and removing when necessary.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Do not enter...dangerous
Do not enter..danger
Do not enter..dangerous wildlife
No guests allowed. ..danger
No guests allowed. .do not enter
No guest allowed. .dangerous wildlife

 

[A Mickeyfan]

[GALLERY=][/GALLERY]

I never said they would keep them off totally. I feel they will be more aggressive about monitoring and removing when necessary.

They are aggressive about removing them, once they see they have reached over 4ft, they are removed. ..the problem is seeing them. It's not that easy. I have lived literally maybe 1000 feet from a lake that is loaded with gators for the last 24 years yet I don't see them. We all know they are there...but they do not come up...attached is a photo of my City...we are surrounded by lakes and canals filled with gators, gators that you don't see...

 

[Bay_Lake_Tower]

Do not enter...dangerous
Do not enter..danger
Do not enter..dangerous wildlife
No guests allowed. ..danger
No guests allowed. .do not enter
No guest allowed. .dangerous wildlife

Yep. DANGER is probably the best way to do it, because just prohibiting something gets you people standing on their heads trying to justify how it doesn't apply to them and what they want to do.

 

[JimmyV]

Hmmm well if you cannot go on the sand, how do they get to the water? ?? I think "beach closed" should work

Based on what I have read on this Board, we will be told that walking on the sand to get to the water is "walking", not "using the beach". Look. I don't understand the logic of the literalists. For example, apparently, if there is a "No Swimming" sign, some people think that if you walk into the water up to your ankles, that is OK. And if you walk into the water, still standing, up to your calves, that is OK. And if you walk out deeper up to your waist, but do not move your arms and legs in a "swimming motion", that is OK. And if you walk up to where the water is chest high, with still no arm movements or leg kicking, that is OK. And if you walk out all the way to where the water hits your chin, but you do not move your arms or legs, you are clearly not "swimming". To these folks, "swimming" is the sole act of propelling oneself with arms and legs. Nobody in the "wading is not swimming" camp has yet to come up with a universally recognized demarcation as to when walking into a body of water converts from "wading" to "swimming", so don't put it past anyone to assume that "Beach Closed" means anything more than: "No putting up an umbrella and lounging on the sand."

 

[limabeanmom2003]

Based on what I have read on this Board, we will be told that walking on the sand to get to the water is "walking", not "using the beach". Look. I don't understand the logic of the literalists. For example, apparently, if there is a "No Swimming" sign, some people think that if you walk into the water up to your ankles, that is OK. And if you walk into the water, still standing, up to your calves, that is OK. And if you walk out deeper up to your waist, but do not move your arms and legs in a "swimming motion", that is OK. And if you walk up to where the water is chest high, with still no arm movements or leg kicking, that is OK. And if you walk out all the way to where the water hits your chin, but you do not move your arms or legs, you are clearly not "swimming". To these folks, "swimming" is the sole act of propelling oneself with arms and legs. Nobody in the "wading is not swimming" camp has yet to come up with a universally recognized demarcation as to when walking into a body of water converts from "wading" to "swimming", so don't put it past anyone to assume that "Beach Closed" means anything more than: "No putting up an umbrella and lounging on the sand."

I think this comment just goes to show that the current signs do not convey the danger of going into the water to guests. People are interpreting it in different ways. So, put up a sign that explains exactly what they do not want you to do. Sounds like Disney is in the process of doing that now. Would a sign that said "Do Not Enter Water - Dangerous Wildlife Present" and included pictures of snakes and alligators made a difference in what happened this week? We will never know. But disney can learn from this experience and prevent this from happening again, hopefully. But, they can't child proof disney world. Things happen. However, if you have explicit signs up about the water and whats in it, I doubt many people will be seen wading, swimming, whatever in the water. Especially with how this story has been covered.

 

[Bay_Lake_Tower]

Based on what I have read on this Board, we will be told that walking on the sand to get to the water is "walking", not "using the beach". Look. I don't understand the logic of the literalists. For example, apparently, if there is a "No Swimming" sign, some people think that if you walk into the water up to your ankles, that is OK. And if you walk into the water, still standing, up to your calves, that is OK. And if you walk out deeper up to your waist, but do not move your arms and legs in a "swimming motion", that is OK. And if you walk up to where the water is chest high, with still no arm movements or leg kicking, that is OK. And if you walk out all the way to where the water hits your chin, but you do not move your arms or legs, you are clearly not "swimming". To these folks, "swimming" is the sole act of propelling oneself with arms and legs. Nobody in the "wading is not swimming" camp has yet to come up with a universally recognized demarcation as to when walking into a body of water converts from "wading" to "swimming", so don't put it past anyone to assume that "Beach Closed" means anything more than: "No putting up an umbrella and lounging on the sand."

It's not even just this board. I saw the same thoughts on other non Disney boards too. I too don't understand it.

Also a popular one, "no swimming means there's no lifeguards on duty so as long as we're being careful it's okay". What??

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Based on what I have read on this Board, we will be told that walking on the sand to get to the water is "walking", not "using the beach". Look. I don't understand the logic of the literalists. For example, apparently, if there is a "No Swimming" sign, some people think that if you walk into the water up to your ankles, that is OK. And if you walk into the water, still standing, up to your calves, that is OK. And if you walk out deeper up to your waist, but do not move your arms and legs in a "swimming motion", that is OK. And if you walk up to where the water is chest high, with still no arm movements or leg kicking, that is OK. And if you walk out all the way to where the water hits your chin, but you do not move your arms or legs, you are clearly not "swimming". To these folks, "swimming" is the sole act of propelling oneself with arms and legs. Nobody in the "wading is not swimming" camp has yet to come up with a universally recognized demarcation as to when walking into a body of water converts from "wading" to "swimming", so don't put it past anyone to assume that "Beach Closed" means anything more than: "No putting up an umbrella and lounging on the sand."

Unfortunately. .and sadly. ..you are correct. ..see to me no swimming means do not enter the water and beach closed means do not enter entire area. So if I saw those signs, I would just keep on truckin along and skip that vicinity totally...off to a different adventure...

 

[limabeanmom2003]

But it's not just gators, there's amoebas and cotton mouths too

Absolutely! With so many people visiting the resort who do not speak or read english, they need to make sure the signage has pictures of what is in the water.

 

[edk35]

There's nothing UNtrue about "no swimming". That is the rule. That is the rule of the owner of the property. Where is the difficulty?

Or they list those things out, then someone is hit by a jetski, and that wasn't on the list. Or it is on the list but you get stressed and have an asthma attack and that gets you. And it wasn't on the list.

They have rules. That's all they should have to list.

Do they have wave runners???? I bet those are GONE NOW.

 

[edk35]

They will have to say DO NOT GO IN THE WATER, ALLIGATORS PRESENT, REPEAT DO NOT GO IN THE WATER, ALLIGATORS PRESENT

 

[edk35]

AND.......STAY OFF THE BEACH FROM DUSK TO DAWN

 

[IrishNYC]

They will have to say DO NO GO IN THE WATER, ALLIGATORS PRESENT, REPEAT DO NOT GO IN THE WATER, ALLIGATORS PRESENT

Based on the "no swimming doesn't mean don't go in the water at all" interpretation, that sign would be met with "well, I can go in the water now because I don't see an alligator at the moment." It's a no win situation.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

It's not even just this board. I saw the same thoughts on other non Disney boards too. I too don't understand it.

Also a popular one, "no swimming means there's no lifeguards on duty so as long as we're being careful it's okay". What??

Yes, not just here! There are big discussions all over my Facebook friends pages as well news media sites. Two sides: no swimming means no not enter or no swimming means you can enter

 

[ms.yt]

Even with these signs, people will still do what they want. Last summer we went to the beach inadvertently during a swarm of jellyfish. They had the dangerous marine life warning flags up the entire time we were there. People (my family included) were standing at the edge of the water with nets catching jellyfish constantly. Yet, even with such a heavy presence of jellyfish, there were people out in the deeper waters swimming who you'd see later coming up to the beach complaining about being stung. I know this isn't a life threatening danger, but it still illustrates that people will ignore warnings.

 

[edk35]

Based on the "no swimming doesn't mean don't go in the water at all" interpretation, that sign would be met with "well, I can go in the water now because I don't see an alligator at the moment." It's a no win situation.

Yep probably true. I guess time will tell. It's just so sad what happened but unfortunately more signs with better wording and pics is what is needed.