Rider Switch changing (Started June 16th)

[DizneyMommy]

so you are saying you did cheat the system but you think that Disney want people like your family make up to be able
to cheat the system because Disney like your money more then familys who have no small kid am i getting that right?

Exactly. No, they don’t. They want you to use us according to the rules. To be fair to all other guests.
Sorry, but I use RS according to the rules and always have, and it works fine as it is offered, so I have no patience for people who knowingly cheat. If you are getting RS but don’t actually need it, or don’t use it for the waiting adult, or lie (omitting is lying) to get one, that’s abuse and things like that ruin it for everyone else.

 

[DizneyMommy]

The fastpass/double dip issue aside, I wonder why they are changing it to an hour window? It used to be one day (ie, you had to return that same day) and then for some reason they changed it all the way to the end of the month. Now instead of going back to same day they're limiting it to just an hour. I wonder if they were seeing a bunch-up of RS returns towards the end of the day or something and are trying to spread that out.

Probably better line control. Disneyland did the same thing, so it has been tested in the wild. Apparently they felt it worked.

 

[DGsAtBLT]

And likewise, why is it that another party using an extra FP+ or two impacts anyone else's trip?
I just don't understand how people using rider swap within Disney's guidelines gets other people so very worked up.

Yeah, I’m with you.

I think it was the thread on the other board I posted an example of how even using it for Soarin’ and TT in Epcot, the family with small children is still likely to be in line longer than the family who gets everyone on together with a FP for one and standby for the other.

After using it multiple times, I just don’t think it’s a big enough advantage to motivate enough people to use it the way people are upset about. I’m not concerned if a handful of people choose to, I don’t think it impacts much. I could be wrong of course, but that’s just my gut feeling.

I do know that once my kids all pass 48 inches I won’t be giving it a second thought, beyond enjoying not having to use it anymore.

 

[OSUZorba]

Up to and including letting those under 3 in for free.

Like literally every other water, theme and amusement park in the country.

 

[OSUZorba]

Comes up often and I always say ..... why is it that not using a FP+ or two impacts anyone's trip. A child that young won't even know they didn't use their FP+. Burn them up or use them in combo with second RS party to allow more taller ones to ride if group big enough. As soon as they are gone you can start using that 4th FP+ and roll it. Have done it at busy times and had no issues. My non-rider gets to go on everything they want by using the 4th FP+ or using standby as a group. And we do standby rides as well while others are using their FP+ on shorter lines so non-rider still does plenty of rides.

It's not like you get 3 rides only and you are done. If that is all people are doing, then they are doing it all wrong. We never do less than double digit number of FP+ each day and sometimes closer to 20 if hopping or at MK.

Isn't letting someone else use the LO's MB against the TOS? So this is basically saying "Don't do the thing that isn't against the rules and is allowed, but do this other thing that is against the rules?"

The real problem with the Soarin' example is that without a FP, there might be nothing for the LO to do while waiting for the RS to complete.

 

[mom2rtk]

The real problem with the Soarin' example is that without a FP, there might be nothing for the LO to do while waiting for the RS.

The real problem with Soarin' is that it's in a park with almost nothing anywhere for little kids to do.

 

[DizneyMommy]

Isn't letting someone else use the LO's MB against the TOS? So this is basically saying "Don't do the thing that isn't against the rules and is allowed, but do this other thing that is against the rules?"

The real problem with the Soarin' example is that without a FP, there might be nothing for the LO to do while waiting for the RS to complete.

Yes, it is. And it is super clearly posted on their website. Like black and white clear.

MagicBands & Cards – Frequently Asked Questions

Q.

Can other people use my MagicBand or card?

A.

No. Your MagicBand or card is unique to you and only you are authorized to access the benefits associated with it—including linked tickets, FastPass+ experiences, touch-to-pay purchases and other entitlements. Once a MagicBand or card is linked to your Disney account, it cannot be transferred to another person.

In addition to touching your MagicBand or card to a touch point, you will be required to scan a finger to enter the parks or enter a PIN code to uniquely identify yourself when making purchases. This process helps to ensure that you, and only you, have access to the entitlements linked to your MagicBand

 

[QueenHeather]

If this first hand report is truly the new system and not an uninformed CM, then families splitting FP must not really be as big a deal as some people think. It seems Disney just wants to control the line better, not prevent “abuse.” I’m disappointed because we while we don’t split fastpasses (though I don’t see it as a big deal) we did enjoy the flexibility to come back later to use the swaps. Riding every ride back to back is really going to affect our touring style.

 

[OSUZorba]

Exactly. No, they don’t. They want you to use us according to the rules. To be fair to all other guests.
Sorry, but I use RS according to the rules and always have, and it works fine as it is offered, so I have no patience for people who knowingly cheat. If you are getting RS but don’t actually need it, or don’t use it for the waiting adult, or lie (omitting is lying) to get one, that’s abuse and things like that ruin it for everyone else.

Please post these rules you keep referencing. I believe CMs allowing split FPs is far too widespread for it to just be a training issue. I know it seems like it should be a rule, but there is zero indication that it is a rule. Especially if they don't change it with this upgrade, then it is definitely not a rule.

 

[mom2rtk]

If this first hand report is truly the new system and not an uninformed CM, then families splitting FP must not really be as big a deal as some people think. It seems Disney just wants to control the line better, not prevent “abuse.” I’m disappointed because we while we don’t split fastpasses (though I don’t see it as a big deal) we did enjoy the flexibility to come back later to use the swaps. Riding every ride back to back is really going to affect our touring style.

Or they were more concerned with the abuse of paper FPs by CMs and some customers selling them on Ebay.

 

[CT Disney]

Our family group that is going next year we will have my 19 month old with us. We will also have two first timers who will be teenagers, my husband, me, my mom, and my dad. My dad hates heights. There is no way he will ride Soarin. So technically, I could leave him with the toddler. However, I probably won't make him sit with his grandson alone, so we might RS. I will wait with him and the LO well the others ride and then I will ride, and if Disney CMs allow it, I will take the two first timers back on with me. Maybe we will do it that way, maybe we won't, but I like having the flexibility, especially with a toddler. One of the teenagers also will probably qualify for DAS, but I haven't decided if we will use that or not. But once again, I'm glad to have that flexibility. One of the reasons I'm even attempting to plan this trip with this group of people is because of the flexibility Disney allows.

Im sorry, but this is the kind of situation where RS isn't even "needed". You have 6 adults and 1 toddler. There is no reason that anyone should ever have to ride alone because they are watching the toddler...Unless I am missing something. I'm guessing that the real reason that RS is appealing in this instance is that the two first timers will get to ride Soarin' twice.

We often travel to Disney with grandparents and our two teenagers. I just don't believe that Disney wants these teenagers to ride twice, while mine would only ride once because we don't have a toddler accompanying us.

I just feel like a lot of people use RS when they don't "need" to...they "want" to. (Not to pick on you @danikoski...lots of people use RS this way...you're not alone )

 

[WillowRain]

Our family group that is going next year we will have my 19 month old with us. We will also have two first timers who will be teenagers, my husband, me, my mom, and my dad. My dad hates heights. There is no way he will ride Soarin. So technically, I could leave him with the toddler. However, I probably won't make him sit with his grandson alone, so we might RS. I will wait with him and the LO well the others ride and then I will ride, and if Disney CMs allow it, I will take the two first timers back on with me. Maybe we will do it that way, maybe we won't, but I like having the flexibility, especially with a toddler. One of the teenagers also will probably qualify for DAS, but I haven't decided if we will use that or not. But once again, I'm glad to have that flexibility. One of the reasons I'm even attempting to plan this trip with this group of people is because of the flexibility Disney allows.

I travel with my elderly mother and grandmother, and I most likely will stay back with the toddler, simply because she can't chase him around. So we just always get a swap. But if grandma is able to watch him, we would ride as a fam and not get a swap. And why does it bother me that people get an extra FP?? For rides that are near impossible to get a FP for, yes, it bothers me. If it's for Soarin or Pooh who cares. FOP, nah.

 

[OSUZorba]

Im sorry, but this is the kind of situation where RS isn't even "needed". You have 6 adults and 1 toddler. There is no reason that anyone should ever have to ride alone because they are watching the toddler...Unless I am missing something. I'm guessing that the real reason that RS is appealing in this instance is that the two first timers will get to ride Soarin' twice.

We often travel to Disney with grandparents and our two teenagers. I just don't believe that Disney wants these teenagers to ride twice, while mine would only ride once because we don't have a toddler accompanying us.

I just feel like a lot of people use RS when they don't "need" to...they "want" to. (Not to pick on you @danikoski...lots of people use RS this way...you're not alone )

This is still the point of RS. So the toddler's parents don't have to wait in line twice. Extra people are allowed so both parents can experience the ride with their old kids. This is exactly why they allow 3 guests, and not just 1.

 

[HopperFan]

And likewise, why is it that another party using an extra FP+ or two impacts anyone else's trip?

I just don't understand how people using rider swap within Disney's guidelines gets other people so very worked up.

I think because:

- It's not "another party", it is many parties every day and it does impact other's trips when they are having to wait longer in the Standby line (again this was proven with the GAC/DAS changes) because the FP+ line has priority.

- It also impacts everyone when a family is taking the high demand rides and boxing them in when guests who can't use RS are only allowed to FP+ one of those rides. This is going to get much worse.

We have to look beyond just our family, you have to multiply that by thousands each day.

The problem is that NO ONE here knows what Disney guidelines truly are because even Disney themselves has varying information.

- Disney started this so families didn't have to wait in Standby twice, nothing to do with FastPass.
- Paper = 3 guests may return, website says only 2.
- Website says it's for anyone who doesn't want to ride, in person this has often been refused to anyone tall enough.
- Emails to guests lately have said everyone needs a FP+.

It would be nice if Disney had a published policy but it's a varied as FL weather.

Disney wants young families to start a family tradition and come back year after year. It's definitely part of their marketing strategy. A family who shows up one time with some teenage kids is unlikely to come back again.

Oh disagree here. Disney has proven over the last few years they place no value on repeat customers and it's been discussed often. They are looking for the naive customer willing to drop thousands and thousands, stay on property, buy the dining plan, book all the special events, shop like they sell Disney no where else. They don't care if they come back because the room will be filled with the next one with big pockets. The offsite guests are their bases, many who save so much on lodging they have a bigger pocketbook

Disney is adding more and more adult options, adding more and more alcohol, building a more adult Disney Springs, Disney After Hours, bigger and longer Food & Wine, Arts Festivals, RunDisney races ........... Disney wants adults and their money. Disney also doesn't want the older families heading over to the dark side.

 

[DopeyDame]

I just feel like a lot of people use RS when they don't "need" to...they "want" to. (Not to pick on you @danikoski...lots of people use RS this way...you're not alone )

For real? Nobody "needs" to ride anything at Walt Disney World.

 

[DizneyMommy]

Please post these rules you keep referencing. I believe CMs allowing split FPs is far too widespread for it to just be a training issue. I know it seems like it should be a rule, but there is zero indication that it is a rule. Especially if they don't change it with this upgrade, then it is definitely not a rule.

Rules for RS:
1- Have an actual too-short child in the first place
2- Have an actual adult waiting with said child

The rest will come as Disney modifies the program and cracks down. We shall see.

 

[ArwenMarie]

Nobody knows what they are doing. This could be the data-gathering process part of it. Remember with FP+, the tiers didn’t come until later. Or maybe they are still training. Or maybe they think the expiration times put enough of a speedbump into the program while preserving it

 

[DGsAtBLT]

While the GAC/DAS situation was similar, I don’t think we can apply what we knew about GAC here.

RS naturally limits use and slows people down by nature of having to wait in either the stand by or FP line before you’re given the entitlement. GAC didn’t do that. That’s what the whole change to DAS was, wasn’t it?

 

[QueenHeather]

Or they were more concerned with the abuse of paper FPs by CMs and some customers selling them on Ebay.

I do agree that this was an issue that needed fixing. But that is easily fixed by going digital and does not require an hour time limit.

 

[DopeyDame]

Rules for RS:
1- Have an actual too-short child in the first place
2- Have an actual adult waiting with said child

The rest will come as Disney modifies the program and cracks down. We shall see.

Right. Those are the for-sure rules. And nothing there says
3 - not have any other possible adult who can watch the child.
or
4 - only ride if the first group rides via fastpass.