DeniseJH
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Exactly and the point people are making is the overall meaning is different today than it was then.
The overall meaning is that racism is acceptable. It isn't now and it wasn't then.
Exactly and the point people are making is the overall meaning is different today than it was then.
I don't particularly care at all what version is used. But I was speaking towards a bigger picture. Sometimes we just try to erase all traces of something for fear of glorifying it even if glorifying it wasn't actually done.
I personally don't care what song anyone chooses to play.
I'm just shaking my head at the need for some to be offended. If you are searching 50 years in the past for it, then you've got issues.
I's love to know just how many people, and fans actually knew about this woman's horrible racist past (that's sarcasm BTW) yesterday? Or did they just get to their seats, barely pay attention to the song and enjoy the game they were watching?
Yeah, "sensitive" is putting it nicely
I would venture to say most people DIDN'T know but this is an easy thing to just move on along from, since a. she's dead, b. most people won't notice or care and c. the only people who are actually annoyed that it is happening are the kind of people who worry about what other people are offended about and try to invalidate those things.
So the Yankees and the Flyers will stop playing a recording of the National Anthem because the singer sang songs with racist lyrics 80 YEARS ago.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/19/sports/kate-smith-new-york-yankees-philadelphia-flyers.html
Can we not admit things were different that long ago and not hold people responsible for something they did back then?
I don’t think I’m understanding what you’re saying here. Are you suggesting modern societies shouldn’t be turned off by people’s past actions simply because those actions were acceptable at the time they were alive?Poor example. Not that anyone would hire Weinstein to sing now, but much different era and it would have occurred in relativley the same time period as the accusations (if not the actual offenses.)
I was thinking about the morality of those examples, not the legality. And the point was that famous people fall from grace all the time once society learns more about the individual or changes its views on certain subjects.All of whose accusations/trials/sentencing came during their lifetimes.
Also, is it really necessary to point out that Smith's songs, while [much?] more offensive now than 80 years ago, is not illegal? Wasn't then, isn't now.
I couldn’t remember which was the song in question so I listed them both. My bad.Not. The. Nation. Anthem.
Sure they have the right. That doesn't mean that what the OP says isn't true. We have grown to sensitive. Of course most people today are revolted by Bill Cosby because he is being judged by people in the era he did what he did and by the standards of the time he did it in. It isn't that hard to see the difference.
But one should also point out that a baseball team taking this stance is being extremely hypocritical considering their own history.
So you agree that most people probably didn't know about "her past". So if that is the case, why would they be offended by hearing her sing to the point that the song had to be removed?
I would venture to say most people DIDN'T know but this is an easy thing to just move on along from, since a. she's dead, b. most people won't notice or care and c. the only people who are actually annoyed that it is happening are the kind of people who worry about what other people are offended about and try to invalidate those things.
I'm speaking towards covering up the statue and then removing it in the case of the OP. We do that too in other things. People destroying things. Things may have better places to be at totally agree there but it doesn't mean we erase that they exist. I'm sorry you can't think of instances where people tried to erase traces of stuff but I can. Your second statement is part of what I'm talking about. Things exist in our past. We can strive to educate ourselves and view things in contexual ways while also bringing to the forefront how we view things today (for at least some things) or we can opt to put it under the rug or removed entirely.I can't think of an instance where people tried to erase all traces of something. I can think of plenty of instances where people realize there are other/better ways to remember something and other/better people to honor.
I admit that it is annoying, it is annoying to see an organization cower to people that can't handle the fact that there are entire generations out there who lived a different way than we do now, and *gasp* during their time it was acceptable.
I'd rather see that organization grow a pair and tell those people to go find a safe space and some coloring books.
I admit that it is annoying, it is annoying to see an organization cower to people that can't handle the fact that there are entire generations out there who lived a different way than we do now, and *gasp* during their time it was acceptable.
I'd rather see that organization grow a pair and tell those people to go find a safe space and some coloring books.
I admit that it is annoying, it is annoying to see an organization cower to people that can't handle the fact that there are entire generations out there who lived a different way than we do now, and *gasp* during their time it was acceptable.
I'd rather see that organization grow a pair and tell those people to go find a safe space and some coloring books.
yes but you dont seem to grasp is that you are judging things by 2019 standards, and not understanding that the world and termonolgy was very different in the 1930's
Cool. I think it's annoying to see people so wrapped up in the past that they can't handle a change in direction, and have to lash out at people who want to move forward. And I think it's even MORE annoying when people dismiss things by using terms like "safe space."
Oh the irony in that statement
You can try to sanitize the past any way you want to but it doesn't alter the facts. I personally don't care about Kate Smith's rendition of "God Bless America" but to dismiss her legacy because of a song she sang at a time when racial prejudice was alive and well, is ridiculous.