Rumor about potential major reduction in operating hours for WDW if Disney Asia parks remain closed due to coronavirus

[rteetz]

I would expect MLB to follow suit sooner than later.

MLB still has time though. They don't start for two weeks.

 

[mshanson3121]

MLB still has time though. They don't start for two weeks.

They're already in spring training.

 

[rteetz]

They're already in spring training.

Yes which they can cancel that but I don't think the MLB will make an immediate decision about the season just yet.

 

[hertamaniac]

MLB still has time though. They don't start for two weeks.

I don't see them waiting for the season to officially start to make a/the decision. I also see collegiate baseball to get suspended as well.

 

[rteetz]

I don't see them waiting for the season to officially start to make a/the decision. I also see collegiate baseball to get suspended as well.

Oh no they won't wait until March 26th to make that decision but its not a decision they have to make today either. Collegiate baseball is already in season so thats different. All spring sports could see cancellations on the collegiate level.

 

[Remy is Up]

But you can’t find it anywhere. That’s what the person you quoted was saying. Not sure why you quoted her when it was clearly stated.

Wrong person. My bad. Lol

 

[jbehr12]

I'll just make one small adjustment.

Disney is a business whether fans want to admit it or not. It literally needs to.

 

[Remy is Up]

It's to the benefit of all of us if Disney provides hand sanitizer and washing stations.

I can bring my own. I can wash my hands and have my kids wash theirs. I can't increase the chances everyone else keeps their hands clean (or clean-ish, if they're just using sanitizer). That's where Disney providing it all over the parks comes in. Contrary to what people are telling themselves, you aren't out of the woods if you keep your own hands clean and don't touch your face. We need as many people as possible to do this too.

Still doesnt make them cheap because the manufacturers are out of product nor does it make them lazy. Even hospitals and doctor's offices are out. Are they lazy and cheap? I question why all of the sudden people realize this stuff exists. Did they not use it before? We keep bottles of it regularly. Doesnt mean disney has to provide it nor does it make them bad because they are short or out of product.

 

[Farro]

I would expect MLB to follow suit sooner than later.

All they should do at this point is delay, not cancel. They did it before with the strike. Cancelling would be waaaaaay premature.

 

[Krandor]

MLB still has time though. They don't start for two weeks.

Seattle has already said they are moving their home opener.

 

[rteetz]

Seattle has already said they are moving their home opener.

That one makes sense. Mariners want to stay in Arizona and play it but league isn't liking that idea and the DBacks are home as well.

 

[hertamaniac]

I think starting tomorrow there will be an onslaught of events/sports/transportation/parks stating suspended operations.

 

[Farro]

I think starting tomorrow there will be an onslaught of events/sports/transportation/parks stating suspended operations.

What's left other than theme parks?

 

[hertamaniac]

What's left other than theme parks?

Glad for a little levity right now.

 

[Searc]

I don't see them waiting for the season to officially start to make a/the decision. I also see collegiate baseball to get suspended as well.

MLB said this weekend they'll play games in empty stadiums if needed. They plan on starting the season on time.

 

[Yinn]

To be clear I’m not blaming DVC owners at all. The only criticism I have leveled has been against the brokers who are not even offering to refund their “profit.” Also I’m not at all convinced that the brokers won’t legally owe the money back to the renters if the resorts themselves shut down.

For what it's worth, I have points rented out to someone in 60 days. David's rental has reached out requesting information on the ability to modify reservations to accommodate. It's not a full on cancel/refund, but it's an attempt. Unfortunately for whomever rented from me, I have a June use year so they'd have to find someone else points to accommodate a move.

Now here's the interesting part. I'm not a lawyer, so someone who is will have to chime in. This is what I see on the renter's agreement for this particular company:

• David's Vacation Club Rentals is not liable for any operations changes by the Disney Vacation Club with respect to where you have booked your travel.

Would a closure count as an operational change? If it does, as a renter you've agreed they're not liable. BUT, it also states the following:

• Should accommodations not be available on date of arrival due to an action or omission by the Member, including but not limited to negligence on the part of the Member and after communication with the Intermediary, suitable comparable accommodations for the same dates cannot be secured by the Member, the Renter will be due a refund limited to the amount paid

A resort closure wouldn't be an action by the Member, certainly not negligent, but would it be an omission? Probably not at the time of the agreement. So far it's not looking good for the renter.

Let's look at the DVC owner agreement.

The DVC Owner agrees to be responsible for:

• Honoring all reservations made for which funds (partial or full) have been remitted to DVC Owner

How does an Owner honor a reservation made if the resort isn't open? So would a resort closure breach agreement and cost a DVC Owner the remaining balance? Or worse yet, have to pay back any funds received?

Oh there's more..

• The DVC Owner further agrees with the Intermediary to make full restitution to the Intermediary and a guest with an active reservation for any and all costs related to a cancellation of that reservation caused by or relating to the failure of the DVC Owner to honour the reservation or otherwise not comply with any obligation or responsibility of the DVC Owner under this agreement including, without limitation, any legal fees, costs and expenses associated with the collection of said costs.

So IF the owner can't honor the reservation. Which they can't if the resort is closed, they get to pay the lawyers that will sue them for full restitution.

It looks worse for an Owner than it does for a Renter! So morale of the story? If you as a renter cancel, you're out of luck. If you don't cancel and the resort closes on you; well you still don't seem to be entitled to anything - not from Davids. But David's might sue the Owner, and you're welcome to join them in doing so to see if you can recoup some of your money.

Again, not a lawyer. Just an interpretation from an uneducated individual.

 

[DGsAtBLT]

I think there's also the question of what is a smart business move, regardless of what the contract says. Should things escalate further and the parks/resorts close, do the big rental companies want to be remembered as leaving their customers hanging? It already takes a leap of faith to rent points. Word of mouth and the Disney online community has to be big for these guys. Cancellations may also prompt Disney to offer heavier discounts than we've seen in ages, that combined with the rising cost of point rentals and this whole ordeal being in recent memory could hurt.

Not saying what they should do, or what they will do, just throwing that out there.

 

[Krandor]

For what it's worth, I have points rented out to someone in 60 days. David's rental has reached out requesting information on the ability to modify reservations to accommodate. It's not a full on cancel/refund, but it's an attempt. Unfortunately for whomever rented from me, I have a June use year so they'd have to find someone else points to accommodate a move.

Now here's the interesting part. I'm not a lawyer, so someone who is will have to chime in. This is what I see on the renter's agreement for this particular company:

• David's Vacation Club Rentals is not liable for any operations changes by the Disney Vacation Club with respect to where you have booked your travel.

Would a closure count as an operational change? If it does, as a renter you've agreed they're not liable. BUT, it also states the following:

• Should accommodations not be available on date of arrival due to an action or omission by the Member, including but not limited to negligence on the part of the Member and after communication with the Intermediary, suitable comparable accommodations for the same dates cannot be secured by the Member, the Renter will be due a refund limited to the amount paid

A resort closure wouldn't be an action by the Member, certainly not negligent, but would it be an omission? Probably not at the time of the agreement. So far it's not looking good for the renter.

Let's look at the DVC owner agreement.

The DVC Owner agrees to be responsible for:

• Honoring all reservations made for which funds (partial or full) have been remitted to DVC Owner

How does an Owner honor a reservation made if the resort isn't open? So would a resort closure breach agreement and cost a DVC Owner the remaining balance? Or worse yet, have to pay back any funds received?

Oh there's more..

• The DVC Owner further agrees with the Intermediary to make full restitution to the Intermediary and a guest with an active reservation for any and all costs related to a cancellation of that reservation caused by or relating to the failure of the DVC Owner to honour the reservation or otherwise not comply with any obligation or responsibility of the DVC Owner under this agreement including, without limitation, any legal fees, costs and expenses associated with the collection of said costs.

So IF the owner can't honor the reservation. Which they can't if the resort is closed, they get to pay the lawyers that will sue them for full restitution.

It looks worse for an Owner than it does for a Renter! So morale of the story? If you as a renter cancel, you're out of luck. If you don't cancel and the resort closes on you; well you still don't seem to be entitled to anything - not from Davids. But David's might sue the Owner, and you're welcome to join them in doing so to see if you can recoup some of your money.

Again, not a lawyer. Just an interpretation from an uneducated individual.

If WDW resorts closes, disney is going to have a lot of decisions to make in how they handle DVC and that is likely what will decide what rental companies do.

Let's remove the rental company... you as an owner have points you are using in April but the parks get closed and your points expire in June (like in your example) how does disney handle that? Are your points lost? Assume they open mid-may do you now have to use points in 2 weeks or lose them along with a lot of other people trying to use points? Do they let them roll over creating additional point inventory for next year?

How DVC is handled in the event of a shutdown is going to be a legal nightmare even before you get into rental companies and in general I think how DVC handles owner points will determine what rental companies do.

 

[guynhawaii]

Aloha,

I am at a total loss of the mass panic over the Cornavirus. More people are killed in auto accidents yet we don't stop driving. More people die of smoking related cancer yet smoking remains legal. More people die of illegal drug use yet it is tolerated. Life continued with the Swine Flu and other flu's. Yes, some people get sick. Some worse than others. As we know, most especially from South Korea which has the best stats and medical care of the most affected countries, people most susceptible to serious illness or death are age 70+ with pre-existing conditions. This is NOT like a biblical or Middle Ages plague which wiped out 30% - 50% of the population. The panic is greatly harming our economy and way of life which will affect more of us than the Cornavirus. In time we will reflect and realize just how much we grossly overreacted and freaked out and the unnecessary collateral damage our over reactions caused.

 

[Krandor]

Aloha,

I am at a total loss of the mass panic over the Cornavirus. More people are killed in auto accidents yet we don't stop driving. More people die of smoking related cancer yet smoking remains legal. More people die of illegal drug use yet it is tolerated. Life continued with the Swine Flu and other flu's. Yes, some people get sick. Some worse than others. As we know, most especially from South Korea which has the best stats and medical care of the most affected countries, people most susceptible to serious illness or death are age 70+ with pre-existing conditions. This is NOT like a biblical or Middle Ages plague which wiped out 30% - 50% of the population. The panic is greatly harming our economy and way of life which will affect more of us than the Cornavirus. In time we will reflect and realize just how much we grossly overreacted and freaked out and the unnecessary collateral damage our over reactions caused.

Italy is shutdown as a country. Kuwait is basically shut down as a country. None of the other things you mentioned caused those things to happen. We often get in a US bubble here but look at what is happening across the world.