Breonna Taylor Grand Jury report

Be careful where I 'are', you mean like minority neighborhoods and such? Is that where the trouble is?
No, LOL. The trouble is where the trouble is and it varies from city to city, day to day, and hour to hour. In Chicago, for example, some of the problems were in upscale shopping districts because the looting is much better there.

I'm just saying be aware of your surroundings so you don't drive into a rioter roadblock and have your innocent 8 year-old shot to death, like happened in Atlanta.
 
No, LOL. The trouble is where the trouble is and it varies from city to city, day to day, and hour to hour. In Chicago, for example, some of the problems were in upscale shopping districts because the looting is much better there.

I'm just saying be aware of your surroundings so you don't drive into a rioter roadblock and have your innocent 8 year-old shot to death, like happened in Atlanta.
Rioter, it’s a revolt deary, sorry it doesn’t conform to large scale shopping districts. :)
 
These are the conversations that make me crazy. Instead of debates and ideas on what needs to change in the system everyone decides what’s more important is citing examples of violence against the side they are representing to confirm their “rightness”. Police are in a horrible situation because of the divide, black and brown people are in a horrible situation because of the divide. And we spend our time proving the other side is wrong🤦🏽‍♀️ SOMETHING needs to change,right? We may disagree on what but we never get to that conversation. WHY??? As people die and people riot the people who aren’t affected live their lives while we argue. Politicians stir the pot and watch us act like fools, it will continue until we collectively decide there is a bigger issue. Rules NEED to change. We can debate what should happen and insist our leaders do something about it, but we don’t.......WHY????? People are being senselessly killed. Who cares what their job is (police officer, fast food worker....) we all should be concerned about it. And for the poster that referenced the way these people lived, ask yourself....why? People don’t grow up thinking “ I can’t wait to live a life of crime” it,again, is a bigger issue that we all contribute to and are affected by
 
I believe that the Grand Jury got it right. My biggest question is why was the warrant served at 0100? I believe it would have been better served at 1800 or 0600. I do think that warrants should only be issued as no knock when absolutely necessary, not just because the police ask for it. It does appear that Louisville handled the unrest better than anywhere else this summer. The reporting has been horrible on just about all of these events this summer, with the exception of Rochester.
 
I believe that the Grand Jury got it right. My biggest question is why was the warrant served at 0100? I believe it would have been better served at 1800 or 0600.
Narcotics warrants are typically served late at night or very early in the morning for several reasons. First, you want the targets of the investigation to be there when you serve the warrant. And secondly, the hope is the warrant service will be safer if the rest of the neighborhood is not up and about.
I do think that warrants should only be issued as no knock when absolutely necessary, not just because the police ask for it.
Warrants are issued as no-knock if a judge decides they will be -- not because the police request it. No-knock is a much higher level of intrusion into the target's constitutional protections, and is only given if there are serious safety reasons for no-knock. A real no-knock warrant execution is a very intense and tightly-controlled operation.
It does appear that Louisville handled the unrest better than anywhere else this summer.
They have so far, and that is a credit to the people of Louisville -- on all sides.

The people demonstrating have wanted to have their message heard, and hopefully they realize that violence will drown out their message. The demonstration leaders have come off that approach a bit, but hopefully things won't spiral out of their control.

The political leadership of the city works for the people of Louisville and they know that the people of Louisville do not want their city to become another Portland. So they have instituted curfews, and they have enforced the curfews. Louisville police have made about 150 arrests.
 
No-knock is a much higher level of intrusion into the target's constitutional protections, and is only given if there are serious safety reasons for no-knock.
Agreed that it is a much higher level of intrusion, but they absolutely are not only given if there is a serious safety reason for a no-knock. I lived way too long in Minneapolis and have spent way too much time around LEO's to believe that. In the vast majority of drug cases I'm aware of, the reason for a no-knock raid is to preserve evidence. Personal opinion is that they shouldn't exist at all.

In my mind, the only thing you're doing by serving warrants in the middle of the night is guaranteeing that no one is in their right mind and making it more dangerous for all involved. If you come through my door in the middle of the night, there will be shots fired. Until I'm out of rounds or nobody is coming through the door anymore. Not giving the occupants of the location an opportunity to comply with the search warrant is a 4th amendment violation.
 
Agreed that it is a much higher level of intrusion, but they absolutely are not only given if there is a serious safety reason for a no-knock. I lived way too long in Minneapolis and have spent way too much time around LEO's to believe that. In the vast majority of drug cases I'm aware of, the reason for a no-knock raid is to preserve evidence.
You're right -- preservation of evidence is another legitimate reason for a no-knock.
In my mind, the only thing you're doing by serving warrants in the middle of the night is guaranteeing that no one is in their right mind and making it more dangerous for all involved.
I disagree. I'd rather serve the warrant late at night than at 6 PM when the kids are playing in the front yard, the neighbor is walking their dog, and you're watching a game with a bunch of buddies as the police drive up.
Not giving the occupants of the location an opportunity to comply with the search warrant is a 4th amendment violation.
No it's not. The Supreme Court has ruled on that question a number of times. That's the reason for no-knock warrants being a separate category of warrant, with different requirements.
 
You're right -- preservation of evidence is another legitimate reason for a no-knock.I disagree. I'd rather serve the warrant late at night than at 6 PM when the kids are playing in the front yard, the neighbor is walking their dog, and you're watching a game with a bunch of buddies as the police drive up. No it's not. The Supreme Court has ruled on that question a number of times. That's the reason for no-knock warrants being a separate category of warrant, with different requirements.
Preservation should not be a "legitimate" reason for a no-knock. Unless it is immediately required for the preservation of life, there is no reason to have no knock raids.

When you want to serve a warrant should not be a deciding factor, without a fair degree of certainty that violence is going to be the result, there should be an opportunity given for the occupants of a location for which a search warrant is issued. Serving search warrants in the middle of the night is begging for exactly the type of incident that occurred here. A woman lost her life, the taxpayers are out $12 Million dollars, a man spent I don't even know how long in jail, because of the decision to serve this warrant in the middle of the night.

In my mind, you did read that part didn't you? I'm well aware the Supreme Court has so far disagreed with me.
 
Preservation should not be a "legitimate" reason for a no-knock
In your opinion. A lot of people, including the Supreme Court (as you acknowledge), disagree.
When you want to serve a warrant should not be a deciding factor, without a fair degree of certainty that violence is going to be the result, there should be an opportunity given for the occupants of a location for which a search warrant is issued.
Again, in your opinion. The procedure is that a judge issues a search warrant and the police decide when to serve it. Sometimes there is urgency to the service of the warrant for any number of reasons, sometimes not. The decision when to serve a warrant is made based on a whole host of factors, with safety of everyone concerned being one of the most important.
Serving search warrants in the middle of the night is begging for exactly the type of incident that occurred here.
Not in my experience. YMMV.
A woman lost her life, the taxpayers are out $12 Million dollars, a man spent I don't even know how long in jail, because of the decision to serve this warrant in the middle of the night.
Nope. Breonna Taylor lost her life because her boyfriend shot Sgt Mattingly. Kenneth Walker caused Breonna's death.

We all understand the circumstances, and what he was probably thinking at the time, and his thought process is understandable -- but this is on him, nobody else.

If he had not shot the officer, Breonna would be alive.
 
In your opinion. A lot of people, including the Supreme Court (as you acknowledge), disagree. Again, in your opinion. The procedure is that a judge issues a search warrant and the police decide when to serve it. Sometimes there is urgency to the service of the warrant for any number of reasons, sometimes not. The decision when to serve a warrant is made based on a whole host of factors, with safety of everyone concerned being one of the most important. Not in my experience. YMMV. Nope. Breonna Taylor lost her life because her boyfriend shot Sgt Mattingly. Kenneth Walker caused Breonna's death.

We all understand the circumstances, and what he was probably thinking at the time, and his thought process is understandable -- but this is on him, nobody else.

If he had not shot the officer, Breonna would be alive.
More like he shot at a person entering his house in the dark at midnight probably dead asleep seconds before
 
What should we do? People make choices.

People that start out in those situations already have stacks against them, you are aware of that as far as "people make choices"I would hope. I do think that things are complex also and maybe in some cases they do need to make different choices, but there needs to be change and that includes police over reacting and over policing which seems like this is what happened here. At least from the story I have read tho it does get a little confusing. They were looking for her ex and they go into her house late at night and her boyfriend shoots and she is killed? She is an EMT also?? And they find nothing?? Also maybe we need to rethink how we deal with drug charges etc. Maybe legalize drugs like marijuana. What kind of dealer was her ex, was he a big time drug dealer? Or did he deal small amounts? Why would they need to go into her place in such a big way. Just like cops don't need to shoot a guy in the back multiple times, there needs to be CHANGE and I also do support good police, but there is stuff going on that reallly needs to change big time.
https://theappeal.org/how-to-rethink-drug-dealing-and-punishment/
 
Tell that to the mom of the 8 year-old girl your beloved revolutionaries murdered in Atlanta.

Is that little girl an acceptable cost of the "revolt?"


Nobody deserves death and they aren't my beloved anything. These events have been wanted by certain powers for a few years. They are painting a picture and using death as the paint brush. One America News and the like point their weapon at all its viewers and most of the time get 'true believers' in the process. This thread shows this in spades. Mrs Taylor dying is terrible but she was surrounded by people that repulse your middle American ways(The Right Way) so honestly she kinda did deserve to be murdered by a para-military force. Ah the smell of Nationalism, it always smells and looks kinda the same.
 
Why is it ok for a Mexican to love Mexico, a Norwegian to love Norway, an Albanian to love Albania, a Mongolian to love Mongolia, a Brazilian to love Brazil, a gay dude to love gay stuff, a black guy to love black guy stuff, a martian to love martian stuff...but not OK for a usa citizen to love USA stuff (I said that instead of "American loving American stuff" so no one deflects), a white guy to love white guy stuff, a straight dude to love straight dude stuff? Its ok that different people are different. There's a reason black dudes and girls tend to date each other and white dudes and girls tend to date each other. Its ok...the world isn't going to shambles because black people are friends with black people and white people are friends with white people.
 
Agreed that it is a much higher level of intrusion, but they absolutely are not only given if there is a serious safety reason for a no-knock. I lived way too long in Minneapolis and have spent way too much time around LEO's to believe that. In the vast majority of drug cases I'm aware of, the reason for a no-knock raid is to preserve evidence. Personal opinion is that they shouldn't exist at all.

In my mind, the only thing you're doing by serving warrants in the middle of the night is guaranteeing that no one is in their right mind and making it more dangerous for all involved. If you come through my door in the middle of the night, there will be shots fired. Until I'm out of rounds or nobody is coming through the door anymore. Not giving the occupants of the location an opportunity to comply with the search warrant is a 4th amendment violation.
It's indeed a catch 22 situation. One side wants the police to stand at the front door knocking and ringing the doorbell while the party inside are yelling, "hang on, I'll be right there" while running around getting rid of the evidence. Another side is when they get it wrong and raid me who does nothing but go to work, come home for a little bit, go to bed, get back up for work in which at least one will die before I assume I die because I am defending myself from a home invasion.
 
Why is it ok for a Mexican to love Mexico, a Norwegian to love Norway, an Albanian to love Albania, a Mongolian to love Mongolia, a Brazilian to love Brazil, a gay dude to love gay stuff, a black guy to love black guy stuff, a martian to love martian stuff...but not OK for a usa citizen to love USA stuff (I said that instead of "American loving American stuff" so no one deflects), a white guy to love white guy stuff, a straight dude to love straight dude stuff? Its ok that different people are different. There's a reason black dudes and girls tend to date each other and white dudes and girls tend to date each other. Its ok...the world isn't going to shambles because black people are friends with black people and white people are friends with white people.
Wait......what? White guy stuff?? Black guy stuff? Gay stuff? USA Stuff? What does this post even mean?
 
How come nobody's talking about why did the criminal ex-boyfriend have a gun in the first place?
 

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