Breonna Taylor Grand Jury report

[The WDW 3]

Are you even kidding me?? The ex boyfriend wasn’t there. The boyfriend had a legal firearm with a CC permit. He had no criminal record.

M

Who shot first?

 

[kymom99]

M

Who shot first?

That’s not the point I was addressing.

 

[VandVsmama]

Are you even kidding me?? The ex boyfriend wasn’t there. The boyfriend had a legal firearm with a CC permit. He had no criminal record.

geez, sorry, my mistake!

 

[sam_gordon]

M

Who shot first?

The man who was defending his home from invaders? Just because he shot first and just because he had a gun, does not make him a criminal.

 

[5th gate dreamers]

The man who was defending his home from invaders? Just because he shot first and just because he had a gun, does not make him a criminal.

The cops weren't invaders. On a macro level, cops are entrusted by democratic societies to invade (need a synonym here, hehe) your space when deemed appropriate by the law. Invaders are in a place uninvited. Cops are invited by probable cause or warrant under Kentucky law. The boyfriend wasn't a criminal for opening fire just as the cops weren't criminal for returning fire. Sadly, and bluntly, the fact that someone died is immaterial to the incident. The boyfriend wasn't an invader because he was a guest of the tenant with a civil rental agreement. The cops weren't invaders because they were guests according to the law of Kentucky. Your problem is with the laws of Kentucky, not with the cops. Just because someone died does not mean a crime was committed.

 

[EACarlson]

Nope. Breonna Taylor lost her life because her boyfriend shot Sgt Mattingly. Kenneth Walker caused Breonna's death.

Let's do a little root cause analysis: What was the cause of Walker shooting? Somebody broke down the door of the apartment he was in while he was half asleep. Who did that? LMPD, specifically Sgt. Mattingly. Why did they choose that time to go in at that time when they knew or should have known there was a firearm in the house and someone who was legally allowed to carry it, which in general means he's likely to be a better shot than the average LEO. I'm sure we can agree that hearing someone breaking down the door of your apartment would produce an adrenaline dump, would it be unreasonable for that dump to produce auditory exclusion as well? He probably never heard them shout police. Now you still want to place the blame on Walker? It seems that the Commonwealth Attorney disagrees with you.

Just like cops don't need to shoot a guy in the back multiple times, there needs to be CHANGE and I also do support good police, but there is stuff going on that reallly needs to change big time.

19 years olds shooting protestors in states that aren't even their own is also pretty vile. I guess he was a patriot so perhaps he was doing the deed for the greater good? Nah, ultimately it's the end result of nationalism and there's currently a core of leaders and Breitbart style articles/radio programs that drives this energy. It makes those that engage feel that violence is their only hope for the survival of national ideals that never were. It's all fiction whether it happens Franco's Spain, Bellisario's Brazil, Mexico's PRI or Trump's United States of America.

Since you both want to reference the Jacob Blake shooting, let's get the facts out there. A wanted armed man who is violently resisting arrest at the place of a woman he has been indicted for sexually assaulting and attempting to commit theft of a motor vehicle and quite probably kidnapping as well. How upset would you all be if the police let him drive away with the kids? Kyle Rittenhouse lives 11 miles from downtown Kenosha and worked in that city. How many people from New Jersey have been protesting/rioting in New York City? Now he's an idiot for being there at 17 years old protecting some one else's property, there is no doubt about that. But if you look at what has prevented many businesses from being burned in Minneapolis and Chicago this summer, neighborhood groups on rooftops with guns.

 

[JimMIA]

Let's do a little root cause analysis: What was the cause of Walker shooting? Somebody broke down the door of the apartment he was in while he was half asleep. Who did that? LMPD, specifically Sgt. Mattingly. Why did they choose that time to go in at that time when they knew or should have known there was a firearm in the house and someone who was legally allowed to carry it, which in general means he's likely to be a better shot than the average LEO. I'm sure we can agree that hearing someone breaking down the door of your apartment would produce an adrenaline dump, would it be unreasonable for that dump to produce auditory exclusion as well? He probably never heard them shout police. Now you still want to place the blame on Walker? It seems that the Commonwealth Attorney disagrees with you.

You're kind of bouncing all over the place here, but I'll try to give a coherent answer.

I say Walker was responsible for Keonna Taylor's death because her death would not have occurred if he had not fired.

I understand why Walker fired, and I think one big element of proof of his motive was that he stopped firing as soon as he realized the people who were trying to enter the apartment were police.

That said, Walker was not awakened by the crashing of a battering ram, which caused him to run into the hallway blazing away. I've done that kind of entry numerous times, and I can guarantee you that it takes a lot more than a second or two.

Walker and Ms. Taylor were alerted by the knocking at the door. Nobody knows whether they really heard the police identifying themselves, but I think it's reasonable to assume they did not. In particular, Walker grabbing his gun indicates to me that he didn't know they were police.

Hearing the commotion at the door, they got out of bed, Walker got his gun, and both of them went to the hallway where they were standing when Sgt Mattingly came through the door. Then Walker fired one shot.

We can argue for years whether Walker's shooting Mattingly was legal or not.

If the prosecutors felt Walker intentionally illegally shot Sgt Mattingly, they would have charged him with felony murder of Ms. Taylor or whatever the KY equivalent of that is. But clearly, there was enough doubt in the prosecutors mind that they properly dropped all charges.

So to summarize, I believe Walker was responsible for Ms. Taylor's death because his act precipitated her death and her death would not have occurred if he had not fired.

But I agree with the prosecutors that Walker should not be charged criminally.

 

[kymom99]

1. Nationalism is pride in one's own country. Nothing wrong with it.
2. Proud Boys are not carrying machine guns (illegal if you are not aware).
3. The 19 year old fired his gun in self defense, easily seen if you even watch the video.
4. This is not Trump's United States of America. It is our United States of America.

He is 17

 

[NYCgrrl]

You're kind of bouncing all over the place here, but I'll try to give a coherent answer.

I say Walker was responsible for Keonna Taylor's death because her death would not have occurred if he had not fired.

I understand why Walker fired, and I think one big element of proof of his motive was that he stopped firing as soon as he realized the people who were trying to enter the apartment were police.

That said, Walker was not awakened by the crashing of a battering ram, which caused him to run into the hallway blazing away. I've done that kind of entry numerous times, and I can guarantee you that it takes a lot more than a second or two.

Walker and Ms. Taylor were alerted by the knocking at the door. Nobody knows whether they really heard the police identifying themselves, but I think it's reasonable to assume they did not. In particular, Walker grabbing his gun indicates to me that he didn't know they were police.

Hearing the commotion at the door, they got out of bed, Walker got his gun, and both of them went to the hallway where they were standing when Sgt Mattingly came through the door. Then Walker fired one shot.

We can argue for years whether Walker's shooting Mattingly was legal or not.

If the prosecutors felt Walker intentionally illegally shot Sgt Mattingly, they would have charged him with felony murder of Ms. Taylor or whatever the KY equivalent of that is. But clearly, there was enough doubt in the prosecutors mind that they properly dropped all charges.

So to summarize, I believe Walker was responsible for Ms. Taylor's death because his act precipitated her death and her death would not have occurred if he had not fired.

But I agree with the prosecutors that Walker should not be charged criminally.

IMO, Breonna Taylor, is dead because law enforcement either spoke softly when announcing themselves (Only one neighbor out of 10 heard them) or because they didn’t say anything at all.
As for the lock on the door and how long it took to open? Only one non mortise lock and I’ve watched City Marshals open them during court ordered evictions in nanoseconds; pretty flimsy. I’ll see if I can find a picture of the door and post it.

The officer who shot his gun several times disobeyed police procedure and as a consequence has been fired and charged. I’d like to see the grand jury transcript in full.

 

[a1tinkfans]

IMO, Breonna Taylor, is dead because law enforcement either spoke softly when announcing themselves (Only one neighbor out of 10 heard them) or because they didn’t say anything at all.
As for the lock on the door and how long it took to open? Only one non mortise lock and I’ve watched City Marshals open them during court ordered evictions in nanoseconds; pretty flimsy. I’ll see if I can find a picture of the door and post it.

The officer who shot his gun several times disobeyed police procedure and as a consequence has been fired and charged. I’d like to see the grand jury transcript in full.

Is the full transcript actually being released. Wasn’t that in process now? Or.. will they say with Fed investigation still pending, no release.. at this time?

 

[NYCgrrl]

Is the full transcript actually being released. Wasn’t that in process now? Or.. will they say with Fed investigation still pending, no release.. at this time?

I don’t know currently. I do know the family asked that the full transcript be made public immediately after the former officer was indicted.

 

[JimMIA]

Grand Jury information of any kind is rarely released, and certainly the attorneys involved know that. They're just raising an issue to rant about.

It's the old law school rule: "If the facts are on your side, pound on the facts. If the law is on your side, pound on the law. If neither the facts nor the law are on your side, pound on the table!"

 

[sam_gordon]

The cops weren't invaders. On a macro level, cops are entrusted by democratic societies to invade (need a synonym here, hehe) your space when deemed appropriate by the law. Invaders are in a place uninvited. Cops are invited by probable cause or warrant under Kentucky law. The boyfriend wasn't a criminal for opening fire just as the cops weren't criminal for returning fire. Sadly, and bluntly, the fact that someone died is immaterial to the incident. The boyfriend wasn't an invader because he was a guest of the tenant with a civil rental agreement. The cops weren't invaders because they were guests according to the law of Kentucky. Your problem is with the laws of Kentucky, not with the cops. Just because someone died does not mean a crime was committed.

In the mind of the BF, they WERE invaders. I fully believe neither he nor Taylor thought it was police coming through the door.

I said that in response to a poster commenting "who shot first".

I think the prosecutor was right in not charging the BF. I think the grand jury was right without indicting the officers in the apartment.

Why you think I have a problem w/Ky's laws is beyond me.

The BF was justified in shooting IMO.
The police were justified in returning fire IMO.

I think any problems (and yes, I feel there were some) with the case happened BEFORE police showed up at the apartment.

 

[sam_gordon]

Duplicate

 

[DisneyHardin]

The BF was justified in shooting IMO.
The police were justified in returning fire IMO.

This is exactly how I feel too. I live in Louisville, so I've been following the story from the very beginning and I couldn't agree more with your statements.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Dis mods please lock this “hot-button topic” thread it has been going on for too long.

You locked the "Congratulations Amy Coney Barrett on your Supreme Court nomination" thread which contained one simple line “Good luck...to the mother of seven” within hours of being posted because a few Diser's claimed it was too political and wanted it cancelled.

This thread is way over the line.

While this may seem political, it actually isn’t. This is discussing a court case and the legal aspect of it. It’s only political if one wants to make it so. For as much as I’ve disagreed with frequent posters on threads like this, they’ve actually remained fairly civil and educational.

I read the thread you started and it turned political, but probably more the issue, religious, pretty quickly.

 

[JimMIA]

As expected, there were more protests in Louisville last night. They seem to have been mostly peaceful, and most people complied with the 9 PM curfew imposed by the city. A total of 28 arrests were made for curfew violations.

One group of about 100 people went to a nearby church at curfew time. In the area of that church, some fires were set and one vehicle was deliberately set on fire. This is a tweet from the police department with aerial footage of that incident.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1310101889174904832

 

[littlejimmy]

As expected, there were more protests in Louisville last night. They seem to have been mostly peaceful, and most people complied with the 9 PM curfew imposed by the city. A total of 28 arrests were made for curfew violations.

One group of about 100 people went to a nearby church at curfew time. In the area of that church, some fires were set and one vehicle was deliberately set on fire. This is a tweet from the police department with aerial footage of that incident.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1310101889174904832

mostly peaceful? haha. only 28 people were arrested, and just a few fires started. and just one vehicle deliberately set on fire and graffiti was sprayed on several buildings. i guess in this day and age that means mostly peaceful? what would it take for one to call it not mostly peaceful. come on, what would the over/under need to be on arrests and fires?

 

[JimMIA]

mostly peaceful? haha. only 28 people were arrested, and just a few fires started. and just one vehicle deliberately set on fire and graffiti was sprayed on several buildings. i guess in this day and age that means mostly peaceful? what would it take for one to call it not mostly peaceful. come on, what would the over/under need to be on arrests and fires?

Yeah, LOL -- I guess our standards have been modified a little. I emailed a friend out west the other day about the fires and smoke receding, and said I'd never really considered renewed riots in Portland a good thing, but...

But Louisville has had a pretty good handle on things, and some of the credit for that has to go to the organizers and people participating in the lawful demonstrations.

I personally think it would be a great idea to hold all these demonstrations during the day. They'd get better news coverage, the thugs would stay home, and they'd get their message out without having it distorted or drowned out by violence.

Portland did that with their Proud Boys demonstration yesterday -- started at Noon, done by 3 PM, and few if any problems. I think there were two arrests. One was for DUI and the other was a warrant arrest.

(Pro tip: If you have outstanding warrants...do NOT participate in a protest -- especially one which a lot of people expect to get ugly.)

 

[NYCgrrl]

mostly peaceful? haha. only 28 people were arrested, and just a few fires started. and just one vehicle deliberately set on fire and graffiti was sprayed on several buildings. i guess in this day and age that means mostly peaceful? what would it take for one to call it not mostly peaceful. come on, what would the over/under need to be on arrests and fires?

According to local reports, 25 of those arrests were for breaking curfew. The reason for the other 3 arrests hadn’t been divulged as of early this afternoon. Louisville,KY, is the home of over half a million people. Sounds like an exceptionally small portion of the population was arrested
I would think that the mass pandemonium and mayhem predicted by some at the start of the weekend did not come to fruition.