Pea-n-Me
DIS Veteran
- Joined
- Jul 18, 2004
They must’ve drawn up the whole vial instead of dividing it into several doses.
They must’ve drawn up the whole vial instead of dividing it into several doses.
I had not heard of that yet. Glad to hear it doesn't appear to have resulted in serious reactions yet at least.
They must’ve drawn up the whole vial instead of dividing it into several doses.
But the reasoning would have been the same no? Because from what you said nobody considers the long-term effects. Going to a theme park is always risky according to many naysayers for the parks being open, same with dining out. So if you're choosing to engage in those activities according to your comments it's because you're focused on the survival rate.
Most of the survival talk I see is only here on the DIS. IRL it's much more simply the mental toll to stay constantly aware. Your body is only designed to stay in a constant state of fear and hyperawareness for so long. I know a few here and there IRL who do spout the survival rate but those people were extreme in their thinking long before this pandemic was a thing (that's NOT meant to be representative of those here on the DIS who have discussed the survival rate just simply the few I know).
So many more are just simply tired. I'm still a lot more aware than my husband but between concern over his power plant contract not being signed, to then being signed, to then dealing with people from 3 different countries plus the pressures of getting things done his COVID protocols dropped a bit and he's had a constant battle with wanting to see his family. He still washes his hands just like I do but he doesn't use hand sanitizer as much as I do but I in turn don't use hand sanitizer quite as much as I used to. We are both excellent about masks in public though, that is something that while we don't like it it has become second nature though we'll both be happy when we are given the all clear to not wear them whenever that day comes.
But given that you're in a different country where you had much more strict restrictions perhaps in your neck of the woods it's different. I just wouldn't take the DIS to be representative of everyone.
Apologies I'm unsure what you're trying to say?
Ontario was doing that with their initial allotment but have recently decided to use it all, as are many other provinces including Alberta. The approaches have been quite a mixed-bag as each province is responsible for their own administration of health care.https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/first-covid-vaccine-to-be-given-in-republic-today-1056614.html
Half of the doses which arrived in Ireland on December 26 have been held back to ensure there are sufficient quantities to administer the second dose.
The instructions are fairly simple, but I guess they skipped that step.They must’ve drawn up the whole vial instead of dividing it into several doses.
Apologies I'm unsure what you're trying to say?
Oh then you misunderstood the conversationI was referring to your second sentence in the Quote.
The instructions are fairly simple, but I guess they skipped that step.
actually, they're much more complex than regular flu vaccines.
They have to inject saline into the vial..
here are the pfizer directions for preparing a vial for use:
• Before dilution invert vaccine vial gently 10 times.
• Do not shake.
• Inspect the liquid in the vial prior to dilution. The liquid is a white to offwhite suspension and may contain white to off-white opaque amorphous particles.
• Do not use if liquid is discolored or if other particles are observed.
• Obtain sterile 0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP. Use only this as the diluent.
• Using aseptic technique, withdraw 1.8 mL of diluent into a transfer syringe (21-gauge or narrower needle).
• Cleanse the vaccine vial stopper with a single-use antiseptic swab.
• Add 1.8 mL of 0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP into the vaccine vial.
• Equalize vial pressure before removing the needle from the vial by withdrawing 1.8 mL air into the empty diluent syringe.
• Gently invert the vial containing the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine 10 times to mix.
• Do not shake.
• Inspect the vaccine in the vial.
• The vaccine will be an off-white suspension. Do not use if vaccine is discolored or contains particulate matter.
• Record the date and time of dilution on the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine vial label.
• Store between 2°C to 25°C (35°F to 77°F).
• Discard any unused vaccine 6 hours after dilution.
• Using aseptic technique, cleanse the vial stopper with a single-use antiseptic swab, and withdraw 0.3 mL of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine preferentially using a low dead-volume syringe and/or needle.
• Administer immediately.
that is NOT the standard procedure that people have to follow when administering vaccines.
Even if you're only doing the last step, withdrawing a dose, it's not the standard procedure.
usually vaccines come ready to go already in the syringe.
even just withdrawing a dose from a vial has become a lost art.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/first-covid-vaccine-to-be-given-in-republic-today-1056614.html
Half of the doses which arrived in Ireland on December 26 have been held back to ensure there are sufficient quantities to administer the second dose.
It is
It is bizarre why they are doing this, cases are rising enough for them to hold an emergency meeting tomorrow about imposing more restrictions and they are being so slow with the rollout of the only thing that will potentially help us get out of this mess. Surely it is better to give twice as many people who are in danger of contracting this in the next three weeks the approx 91% protection that one dose provides. It seems pretty unlikely that the second dose will not arrive on time and even if it does not, the level of protection lost appears to be tiny. This on top of the fact that the vaccine has been in the country for days and they did the first one at 1.30 in the afternoon. The lack of urgency is at odds with the constant reinstating of lockdowns and all the trouble that brings to people
It is
It is bizarre why they are doing this, cases are rising enough for them to hold an emergency meeting tomorrow about imposing more restrictions and they are being so slow with the rollout of the only thing that will potentially help us get out of this mess. Surely it is better to give twice as many people who are in danger of contracting this in the next three weeks the approx 91% protection that one dose provides. It seems pretty unlikely that the second dose will not arrive on time and even if it does not, the level of protection lost appears to be tiny. This on top of the fact that the vaccine has been in the country for days and they did the first one at 1.30 in the afternoon. The lack of urgency is at odds with the constant reinstating of lockdowns and all the trouble that brings to people
Oh then you misunderstood the conversation
The poster had said "What about the after affects? Nobody ever thinks about that." Many people have been discussing potential long-term effects and so presently called long-haulers. That's why I said the second sentence in the quote which was "Because from what you said nobody considers the long-term effects." The other poster is the one who said "everybody is so focused on survival rate" and that nobody every thinks about the after effects. My entire comment was that many people are actually discussing and are concerned about long-term effects and those only discussing survival rate are not as many as one would assume at least IME.
actually, they're much more complex than regular flu vaccines.
They have to inject saline into the vial..
here are the pfizer directions for preparing a vial for use:
• Before dilution invert vaccine vial gently 10 times.
• Do not shake.
• Inspect the liquid in the vial prior to dilution. The liquid is a white to offwhite suspension and may contain white to off-white opaque amorphous particles.
• Do not use if liquid is discolored or if other particles are observed.
• Obtain sterile 0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP. Use only this as the diluent.
• Using aseptic technique, withdraw 1.8 mL of diluent into a transfer syringe (21-gauge or narrower needle).
• Cleanse the vaccine vial stopper with a single-use antiseptic swab.
• Add 1.8 mL of 0.9% Sodium Chloride Injection, USP into the vaccine vial.
• Equalize vial pressure before removing the needle from the vial by withdrawing 1.8 mL air into the empty diluent syringe.
• Gently invert the vial containing the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine 10 times to mix.
• Do not shake.
• Inspect the vaccine in the vial.
• The vaccine will be an off-white suspension. Do not use if vaccine is discolored or contains particulate matter.
• Record the date and time of dilution on the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine vial label.
• Store between 2°C to 25°C (35°F to 77°F).
• Discard any unused vaccine 6 hours after dilution.
• Using aseptic technique, cleanse the vial stopper with a single-use antiseptic swab, and withdraw 0.3 mL of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine preferentially using a low dead-volume syringe and/or needle.
• Administer immediately.
that is NOT the standard procedure that people have to follow when administering vaccines.
Even if you're only doing the last step, withdrawing a dose, it's not the standard procedure.
usually vaccines come ready to go already in the syringe.
even just withdrawing a dose from a vial has become a lost art.
No - why should it? There's nothing there that seems beyond the capabilities of a qualified health-care professional and what, really, do you know about all the other routine medical procedures you receive? I'd wager the formal instructions for even very simple things would sound daunting to a layman.Did all this scare anyone else here!?