We will have to disagree, Krandor.
If anybody is going to re-do them let it be something like tyler perry productions, not disney.
Change the ride.. let somebody else re-make the stories properly. They are public domain and anybody can do so.
We will have to disagree, Krandor.
Her castle got Sleeping Beauty's leftover paint.did Cinderella get an old slipper?
For the current redo?! ASK THEM TO BRING BACK THE FIBER OPTIC DESCENT
River Journey absolutely has a story line - it just isn't spelled out for people so many assume there isn't one. A lot with that land (and for AK in general) of for people to explore and discover on their own
perhaps you should read up on not only the movie, also the song. The song was influenced by an extremely offensive song. This is not merely a “benign” piece of the American lexicon, it is steeped in offensive material. America has more than historical warts, and it has hardly been a group of people trying to find fairness for all and freedom for all. This is a very romanticized view of years of oppression and inequality.
I'm glad someone at some point mentioned wdwmagic and how they were more upset, because I went over there and felt more solidarity about my favorite ride getting the axe, and just in general as a Disney fan. This isn't a criticism of anyone here -- although I'm not very active here, I went to the anniversary meetup a few years back (was it 2016?) and met some of you. I love it here. I just expected a lot more mourning about this, based on how people have felt about other rides in the past. I'm very curious to see how the podcast handles this. I think it's pretty odd how this is being talked about. But that's just me. I'm very sad.
I am proud to be a Disney fan and a “fringe lunatic”So you're calling all of the people in this thread that are happily accepting the change and were hoping for it fringe lunatics? Lol
@chasgoose "No one is saying that it's racist" Right, certainly not the people who are saying they read the whole thread and it's cringe, and it's racist, and they aren't talking about the people who aren't sad, so what are they referring to? Ultimately, people can say whatever they want. I don't care if I'm called racist. I just needed more solidarity about how sad I find this, as a Disney fan, and I found it.
And I can mourn both of those things! History, and my favorite ride at Disney.
@chasgoose "No one is saying that it's racist" Right, certainly not the people who are saying they read the whole thread and it's cringe, and it's racist, and they aren't talking about the people who aren't sad, so what are they referring to? Ultimately, people can say whatever they want. I don't care if I'm called racist. I just needed more solidarity about how sad I find this, as a Disney fan, and I found it.
And I can mourn both of those things! History, and my favorite ride at Disney.
You should read what the previous poster actually said. They said that its not racist to be disappointed about the ride going away. What you said distorts the meaning of what was said.@chasgoose "No one is saying that it's racist" Right, certainly not the people who are saying they read the whole thread and it's cringe, and it's racist, and they aren't talking about the people who aren't sad, so what are they referring to? Ultimately, people can say whatever they want. I don't care if I'm called racist. I just needed more solidarity about how sad I find this, as a Disney fan, and I found it.
And I can mourn both of those things! History, and my favorite ride at Disney.
But the history isn't going anywhere and my favorite ride is.
You should read what the previous poster actually said. They said that its not racist to be disappointed about the ride going away. What you said distorts the meaning of what was said.
It’s ok to be disappointed about the ride going away. Most of the people on this thread are on that boat. However we also need to acknowledge that the material the ride is based on is racially insensitive at best and straight up racist at worst. In 2020, we know better than that and we should start correcting the wrongs of the past.
Thanks. Even with all my mixed feelings about Splash Mountain there's still part of me that's sad it's going away and a bigger part of me that is also scared they aren't going to do a good job/spend enough money with the re-theming (as problematic as the content is, the ride is still was a feat of Imagineering when it first opened and mostly remains that way). On the other hand, Splash, particularly the DL model, has needed some serious TLC for awhile now and if nothing else, they will probably put more effort and resources towards a PaTF makeover than they would have if they were attempting a major refurb while keeping the theme intact. Who knows if they would have prioritized such a major refurb in the first place if they kept the theme as is. They could have kept doing the annual winter patches until the ride fully stopped functioning and demanded they do something more thorough. The fact that they have to change everything, instead of just what is most direly in need of fixing will hopefully result in more ambitious and creative Imagineering attention than it might otherwise have received.
This is exactly why it's dangerous to get rid of Splash Mountain and deeming it racist. Because alot of people will mistakenly equate Bre'r Rabbit as racist when Bre'r Rabit comes from African American fables and West African folklore. This is what I talk about when I say Bre'r Rabbit and African American and West African culture will be erased. Kind of a racist by association even though Bre'r Rabbit existed along time before the white guy came along and wrote Uncle Remus.
White guy Joel Chandler Harris, Sos and his minstrel Uncle Remus creation are racist in my opinion and have been eliminated from Splash from the beginning. That's fine and as it should be but by eliminating Splash instead of owning up to it and having a conversation on African American and West African culture and folklore it is hurting the Bre'r Rabbit/West African folklore brand and reinforcing the notion that the White man invented everything. Knowledge is power, the Bre'r Rabbit/West African folk tales have existed for centuries just like Aesop's fables. The Mali Empire was one of the greatest, richest and most powerful empires ever and I bet you that most of the people here don't even know about it's existence.
Also I should have mentioned the other reason I don't think the PaTF refurb will be like the FEA makeover. In that case, Frozen was the most popular IP Disney had created in a long time and they were just trying to get it into the park as fast as possible so it made sense why there were some cut corners and missed opportunities along the way. Additionally, Maelstrom was fine, but it wasn't a marquee attraction like Splash Mountain. While I love PaTF, it is nowhere near as popular IP as Frozen and it's not like Disney is just trying to capitalize on its popularity by adding a layover to an under-appreciated ride before the heat simmered down. Disney knows this is going to be heavily watched and people are going to care a lot more about the finished product than with FEA where many were just excited to have any Frozen attraction in the parks, and that this is not the time to be risk-averse or cheap out.
Feel bad for James Baskett. Hope they find a way to keep the memory of his performance and oscar win from fading away.