PolymerSkywalker
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So if you target a different audience and the volume of your original audience declines, those two occurrences are not related?
Is that what you are saying?
Is that what you are saying?
Ok, maybe I misread your previous response. Seems like that is what you said.They didn't target a different audience.
Ok, maybe I misread your previous response. Seems like that is what you said.
So in your last sentence above you were not saying Disney has been “using more female leads or targeted a different audience”?People change. Society changes. There's no guarantee that demand will stay that high forever. Also, one can argue about the quality of the films released. I think they're fine but some don't - but that quality has NOTHING to do with using female leads or targeting a different audience.
I'd actually argue this is not true, but I'm very biased as pretty much all my friends who like Star Wars are women. The fandom spaces I'm involved in are very heavily female. And the cons I go to are 50/50.Sure Star Wars has always skewed male, at least amongst the "hardcore fans" - it still does.
So in your last sentence above you were not saying Disney has been “using more female leads or targeted a different audience”?
So you are saying it happened, but organically due to subtle changes in society over time? So did or did it not happen that Disney began “using more female leads or target a different audience”?
I'd actually argue this is not true, but I'm very biased as pretty much all my friends who like Star Wars are women. The fandom spaces I'm involved in are very heavily female. And the cons I go to are 50/50.
(Fun story: I won the Star Wars Day at Sea trivia contest a few years ago. During the final round, after my turn and everyone cheered, my husband yelled out, "THAT'S MY WIFE!" )
It just always amazes me when men want to be so gatekeepery regarding the stuff they like instead of, you know, INVITING women in? It's like everyone who made fun of the two guys in our drama club in high school for being "gay". Meanwhile they were the ones hanging out with girls all day long!
100% agree with this take. If they wouldn’t have deconstructed Luke in the process, I think I could have liked Rey just fine.Just from observing most people's reactions to the latest Star Wars content (the movie stuff, not the TV shows), it seems like the biggest issue is lack of direction in the storytelling and specific decisions made for the characters rather than leading characters being female.
Just from observing most people's reactions to the latest Star Wars content (the movie stuff, not the TV shows), it seems like the biggest issue is lack of direction in the storytelling and specific decisions made for the characters rather than leading characters being female.
I don't have any strong opinions about it (wish Finn got more time to shine and him being sidelined was a mistake IMO) but the reaction reminds me a lot of Game of Thrones season 8. I STILL see people discuss how badly they screwed that up.Yes, and while I don't agree (or at least think the criticism has been overly harsh), those are legitimate areas of discussion and criticism. Constantly harping on female characters/creators/audience is not.
100% agree with this take. If they wouldn’t have deconstructed Luke in the process, I think I could have liked Rey just fine.
I liked her a decent amount in the force awakens, but just hated the direction of TLJ so much that I was done with her character.
Is was the easiest layup ever to make. Respect the past fans give us one short scene with the OT Big 3, and give them all respectful send offs. How on earth can you screw that up so badly! Biggest mistake in cinematic history and literally college classes are thought on how poorly this went.
If they could just go back in time and never hire Rian Johnson, I think the entire franchise is in a different place today.
I don't have any strong opinions about it (wish Finn got more time to shine and him being sidelined was a mistake IMO) but the reaction reminds me a lot of Game of Thrones season 8. I STILL see people discuss how badly they screwed that up.
The last movie we got was The Rise of Palpatine / Skywalker and it had an audience that was 60% male and 40 female.These days I'd say about 50/50 is right. In 1977 though? Probably not. I think the movies definitely appealed to everybody, but the group that would go on to be those hardcore groups - reading the books, etc. I think likely were mostly male. I say "mostly", that is not to mean exclusively. To me, it is 100% not important. Star Wars is for everyone who likes Star Wars!
They did screw up that season horribly. It’s a pretty good comparison.I don't have any strong opinions about it (wish Finn got more time to shine and him being sidelined was a mistake IMO) but the reaction reminds me a lot of Game of Thrones season 8. I STILL see people discuss how badly they screwed that up.
Guess Star Wars needed a scene were Rey rides a dragon and destroys an entire village like DaenerysRight, and story-based criticism is legitimate. They never call out the GoT creators over their race or gender though. I wonder why.
Small counterpoint: not having Han, Leia, and Luke on screen at the same time was a problem made in TFA, not TLJ. Han was dead at that point. Yeah, yeah, Force ghosts, whatever. We’ll probably get some edited special edition of RoS with Han in there at the end.100% agree with this take. If they wouldn’t have deconstructed Luke in the process, I think I could have liked Rey just fine.
I liked her a decent amount in the force awakens, but just hated the direction of TLJ so much that I was done with her character.
Is was the easiest layup ever to make. Respect the past fans give us one short scene with the OT Big 3, and give them all respectful send offs. How on earth can you screw that up so badly! Biggest mistake in cinematic history and literally college classes are thought on how poorly this went.
If they could just go back in time and never hire Rian Johnson, I think the entire franchise is in a different place today.
i think there’s a difference between knowing your audience and
Small counterpoint: not having Han, Leia, and Luke on screen at the same time was a problem made in TFA, not TLJ. Han was dead at that point. Yeah, yeah, Force ghosts, whatever. We’ll probably get some edited special edition of RoS with Han in there at the end.