BLM teaches kids racism

[penn19]

The way your post is written makes it sound like officers were physically attacked by protesters, so I looked it up and found what you’re referring to. [Quote edited for DIS-friendliness.]

“The crowd keyed in on [two female officers], saying some of the most vile things to them, talking about [ ] assault, about being [assaulted by] other officers," Maxey said. "There was one individual (out of a crowd of 4,500) that said that he was going to take the baton from one of the female officers and [do something not very DIS-friendly]. It was something that is so vile, no one should be exposed to it.”

So, for clarity, some people said some mean things to a couple of officers with one jerk being particularly vulgar. There were no physical attacks and no officers were harmed. No one suffocated to death in a chokehold, died while a grown man knelt on their neck for 9 minutes, was shot and killed during a non-confrontational traffic stop, was shot and killed while sleeping in their bed, was shot to death after being considered an intruder in their own apartment, or was a child shot to death while playing in the park. Fortunately, none of those things happened. But, a few people said some mean things to the officers and that probably really hurt their feelings.

Did any of the cops have lasers pointed in their eyes?

 

[billlaurie]

You completely missed the point. Nobody is advocating the complete separation of any group. However, minority groups need the ability to come together at times to step away from the questions, assumptions, and other daily drains on their day. Sometimes you just want to BE, not the be the lesson for everyone else.

I can say the same about you missing my point. I didn't miss the posters point, I understand what they are saying about people wanting to be in situations where they feel like they can be themselves. I just don't happen to believe that self segregation by dorms whether it be by race, religion, political affiliation, whatever, leads to a society of mutual understanding and true friendship amongst different people.

 

[JimMIA]

Did any of the cops have lasers pointed in their eyes?

Yes. That's been going on for weeks in many cities, and specifically in Portland.

More violence last night in Portland. Even the mayor, a Democrat, is now condemning the violence:

https://apnews.com/df661632f3d6981c0dc0e065020c52df

 

[ford family]

It was an event I hadn’t even heard about until the other poster brought it to this thread, describing it in a way that made it sound like female officers had been violently and grotesquely brutalized by an angry mob. As it turns out, nothing remotely close to that took place in the story the PP was referencing. The whole thing started and ended with words which, you’re right, I do consider that rather unimportant when looking at the big picture of what’s going on. But then, I’ve always been a “sticks and stones” kind of gal.

You have to keep in mind that the poster is, like me, from the UK.
We don't have the high level of tolerance for violence that you seem to have.

ford family

 

[TipsyTraveler]

Did any of the cops have lasers pointed in their eyes?

I didn’t see that mentioned in the article being discussed, no.

I can say the same about you missing my point. I didn't miss the posters point, I understand what they are saying about people wanting to be in situations where they feel like they can be themselves. I just don't happen to believe that self segregation by dorms whether it be by race, religion, political affiliation, whatever, leads to a society of mutual understanding and true friendship amongst different people.

I understand your point and I don’t necessarily think it’s wrong, just as I don’t necessarily think it’s wrong for people to want to spend time with like-minded people. Striking the right balance is what’s important, IMO, and when a person is spending a large part of their day in school/work/general society environments where they are surrounded by people who aren’t like them, I think it’s okay for them to end their day “at home” (dorms in this case), comfortable with people who have a similar culture/beliefs/what have you. It’s why I’m okay with the idea of people sending their kids to private religious schools even though their kids would have better opportunity to meet and understand differing viewpoints if they went to public school. Hopefully those children will encounter diversity throughout other parts of their day (neighborhood playmates, athletic teams) but I can understand the desire to want to spend some part of your day with like-minded people where you can just be yourself without always having to explain your beliefs and ways to people who don’t walk in the same shoes.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

You have to keep in mind that the poster is, like me, from the UK.
We don't have the high level of tolerance for violence that you seem to have.

ford family

I’ll give you that. My British friends are always pretty astounded by the things that go on here.

 

[JimMIA]

I didn’t see that mentioned in the article being discussed, no.

Third paragraph in the news article I posted above:

“Officers are having rocks and chunks of concrete thrown at them,” police said on Twitter. “Individuals in the crowd are shining lasers trying to blind officers.”

 

[darby888]

"Breaking" is not usually the problem in the short term. Sometimes PTSD is a big problem after the riots are over, but usually not during the turmoil.

The more immediate effects on officers and departments are:

• Actual injuries and sickness (especially Covid in this environment)
• Significant attritionfor the departments caused by fed-up officers either leaving for other agencies or seeking new careers. Both Seattle and Minneapolis are having big problems with attrition.
  • My old department here in Miami has received applications from numerous officers from both departments, and is processing several from Seattle.
  • I'm sure Portland will be right behind as soon as things calm down.
• Breakdown in mutual aid. Police departments, like fire departments, typically work together in large scale situations like riots, major community events, natural disasters, etc.
  • But there have been many, many situations where other departments have declined to provide mutual aid in the current environment. For example, more than 100 WI police departments have declined mutual aid requests from Milwaukee PD for the upcoming Democratic convention. Also dozens of departments in the Atlanta area have declined mutual aid requests from the Atlanta PD.
  • The result of those refusals is a reduction in public safety for people living in the city being denied mutual aid.
• "Low-risk behavior." Police work at the patrol level is the most important work any department does -- and it is overwhelmingly self-initiated. The outstanding officers are the self-starters who are constantly active -- talking to residents, patrolling neighborhoods, developing informants, making arrests, responding quickly and effectively to calls for service, etc.
  • That initiative is optional. When doing your job entails greater risk of complaints or being put in critical situations, initiative fades and officers take the safe route designed to just get by and go home at the end of the shift.
  • This low-risk behavior is showing up in a huge way in NYC, Chicago, and the areas which have had riots. Enforcement has ground to a halt, and both violent and property crime have increased.

#BlueFlu

 

[JimMIA]

#BlueFlu

No, not "Blue Flu," ACTUAL illness. Most cops hate "Blue flu" because it exposes their brothers and sisters to additional risk from being short-handed.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

Third paragraph in the news article I posted above:

“Officers are having rocks and chunks of concrete thrown at them,” police said on Twitter. “Individuals in the crowd are shining lasers trying to blind officers.”

I think he was asking me about the article that I pulled my quote from which had no mention of that when I went back and looked. (I won’t link to it for the same reasons Paula wouldn’t, the graphic nature of what was said to the female officers.) It did describe the Portland protests as “mostly peaceful” though. Two sides to every story, I guess.

 

[darby888]

No, not "Blue Flu," ACTUAL illness. Most cops hate "Blue flu" because it exposes their brothers and sisters to additional risk from being short-handed.

I come from a family of cops, it's real and happening as we speak. Cops are fed up... who wants to work for any agency that doesn’t support them.

 

[CarolAnn856]

I can say the same about you missing my point. I didn't miss the posters point, I understand what they are saying about people wanting to be in situations where they feel like they can be themselves. I just don't happen to believe that self segregation by dorms whether it be by race, religion, political affiliation, whatever, leads to a society of mutual understanding and true friendship amongst different people.

Oh no, your point was quite clear. You feel that you know better than people who are directly affected. As it seems that neither of us is in one of those minorities, I'll take the word of those who are and say that it is, indeed, useful and necessary.

Editing to add: I find it fascinating that college living arrangements have allowed segregation for various reasons for years, from gender to substance free to environmentalists to you-name-it. It only seems to raise ire, though, when minority races want to have their own space. Very odd.

 

[disneyjunkie]

I can say the same about you missing my point. I didn't miss the posters point, I understand what they are saying about people wanting to be in situations where they feel like they can be themselves. I just don't happen to believe that self segregation by dorms whether it be by race, religion, political affiliation, whatever, leads to a society of mutual understanding and true friendship amongst different people.

The issue with this is that POC are the only ones expected to shoulder the responsibly of obtaining that goal.

Let's be honest. How common is it for white parents to enroll their children in schools, sport teams, dance classes...where they are in the minority?

Most POC will spend their whole lives in spaces where they are the minority. If we want to spend our college years free of all of that, so be it.

 

[JimMIA]

It did describe the Portland protests as “mostly peaceful” though. Two sides to every story, I guess.

Yep. World War II was mostly peaceful in most places most of the time. "Mostly sunny" means it's gonna rain.

Here in Miami, we had BLM protests that were 99% peaceful one day (a couple of Miami PD cars torched), and 100% peaceful ALL of the other days.

We had some heated discussions between opposing groups, and we had a handful of arrests, but no violence except for the one little outburst at Miami PD HQ.

• Nobody trying to injure, blind, or kill police officers.
• Nobody attacking defenseless elderly women (plural) like in Portland.

Miami be like:
https://www.local10.com/news/local/...ooper-breaks-the-line-to-hug-miami-protester/

 

[darby888]

Former Sheriff, Mark Curran IL & US Senate Candidate IL - "What started in Zone 6 quickly spread throughout the entire Atlanta PD as officers walked off their shifts. The #BlueFlu has started in Atlanta, but I have a feeling it's going to spread nationwide as the hate for the men & women who hold the Thin Blue Line continues to grow."


JJJ@Johnny_Joe@FoxNews contributor - “I can confirm the walk-off is real. Whole shifts have left and overnight shifts are refusing to come in”

 

[disneyjunkie]

The issue with this is that POC are the only ones expected to shoulder the responsibly of obtaining that goal.

Let's be honest. How common is it for white parents to enroll their children in schools, sport teams, dance classes...where they are in the minority?

Most POC will spend their whole lives in spaces where they are the minority. If we want to spend our college years free of all of that, so be it.

 

[billlaurie]

Oh no, your point was quite clear. You feel that you know better than people who are directly affected. As it seems that neither of us is in one of those minorities, I'll take the word of those who are and say that it is, indeed, useful and necessary.

Editing to add: I find it fascinating that college living arrangements have allowed segregation for various reasons for years, from gender to substance free to environmentalists to you-name-it. It only seems to raise ire, though, when minority races want to have their own space. Very odd.

I have no "ire" about people wanting to separate themselves, I am stating how I feel about the situation based on experiences with other people in my own life and the life of my children that would not have happened if people had separated themselves based on race. I can see both points of view without making racist accusations.

 

[JimMIA]

Former Sheriff, Mark Curran IL & US Senate Candidate IL - "What started in Zone 6 quickly spread throughout the entire Atlanta PD as officers walked off their shifts. The #BlueFlu has started in Atlanta, but I have a feeling it's going to spread nationwide as the hate for the men & women who hold the Thin Blue Line continues to grow."


JJJ@Johnny_Joe@FoxNews contributor - “I can confirm the walk-off is real. Whole shifts have left and overnight shifts are refusing to come in”

Yes. Atlanta is a very special case.

Atlanta has an incompetent mayor running for VP, a corrupt and incompetent DA, and has done an even worse job of handling unrest than Minneapolis.

The mayor and city council pandered to the rioters, abandoned their citizens, withdrew the police and turned their backs on them, and killed an 8 year-old girl. And then held a press conference to declare that "Enough is enough."

I can understand the Atlanta police reaction, and I can certainly understand the refusal of other agencies in the area to throw their police officers into that cesspool.

 

[billlaurie]

The issue with this is that POC are the only ones expected to shoulder the responsibly of obtaining that goal.

Let's be honest. How common is it for white parents to enroll their children in schools, sport teams, dance classes...where they are in the minority?

Most POC will spend their whole lives in spaces where they are the minority. If we want to spend our college years free of all of that, so be it.

I understand your point, I am just sad about it based on experiences in my life. I would never presume to tell anyone what they should or should not do. I don't know how to answer your question but based on your explanation of people needing their own space with people like themselves, would white children even be welcome in these groups? Fortunately my kids were raised in a diverse community and they have good friends of many races, went to high school as the "minority" group, and my experience is different than yours.

 

[cedricandsophie]

I marched in the 60s as a young impressionable White girl. Now I’m 70 and I don’t believe we still have to protest this crap.