Mai Ku Tiki
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Appreciated all of your work & the effort you made to clarify complex issues.
I think if anything is done it will be done in private, Bob I is very good at playing politics.I'm very interested in how Iger approaches the entire RCID issue.
I always wondered what he was thinking while Chapek was having to navigate that minefield.
We'll see...
My wife and are about to close on our first contract (resale). Last night, my wife commented that she wishes we would have bought direct instead. I pointed out that for what we are spending on our 220 points at Poly, we would only be able to get 170 at Riviera or Grand Floridian. She didn't complain after that. But I would be interested in buying a blue card in the future if Disney wanted to get some money out of resale DVC members.I would love that. We bought resale for 360 points. We would like to get the direct benefits but just couldn’t justify the cost when compared to resale. I would jump on it if I only had to buy 75 points.
There's still the matter of the $1B in debt owed by RCID. While DeSantis has stated that the taxpayers will not be paying that debt, the legal documents related to the creation/dissolution of RCID state that the debt is transferred to the county or the future entity that operates facilities formerly owned by RCID. That puts Iger in a much stronger bargaining position than the Florida government. I suspect that there will be a RCID-II coming into existence, with only slightly less Disney control (e.g., a requirement to seat a county representative on the board).
The conspiracy theory in me wants to believe that the board cut a deal with Florida that if they bump out Chapek and put Iger back in (who you will note quickly moved to say he wants to get Disney out of the controversy playground), Florida will re-negotiate RCID. Not saying it's true, but Iger was always good at back room negotiations which Florida prefers as well. So, part of me could definitely see that happening.
That’s assuming it was a bad deal for Disney -why would Iger re-negotiate something that is already to Disney‘s benefit. It’s fairly clear that the debt gets dumped on the next operator, and that’s not Disney if it stays as is. It‘s something that could be tied up in court for a long time, and I’m thinking Disney comes out the big winner either way..The conspiracy theory in me wants to believe that the board cut a deal with Florida that if they bump out Chapek and put Iger back in (who you will note quickly moved to say he wants to get Disney out of the controversy playground), Florida will re-negotiate RCID. Not saying it's true, but Iger was always good at back room negotiations which Florida prefers as well. So, part of me could definitely see that happening.
That’s assuming it was a bad deal for Disney -why would Iger re-negotiate something that is already to Disney‘s benefit. It’s fairly clear that the debt gets dumped on the next operator, and that’s not Disney if it stays as is. It‘s something that could be tied up in court for a long time, and I’m thinking Disney comes out the big winner either way..
The longer it drags out in court, the more it favors Disney. THIS is the WAY…..There's a LOT more to it than that. It should be that simple, but it is not.
That’s assuming it was a bad deal for Disney -why would Iger re-negotiate something that is already to Disney‘s benefit. It’s fairly clear that the debt gets dumped on the next operator, and that’s not Disney if it stays as is. It‘s something that could be tied up in court for a long time, and I’m thinking Disney comes out the big winner either way..
I don’t disagree with some of those points. One thing I can bet on ….Disney has done their homework. The local governments -time will tell. Disney has already thoroughly looked into all of those angles.Except Disney would then have to build to county regulations which would greatly slow down construction. They would have to do significant updates to existing infrastructure as well.
There would be a lot of additional fees they would have to pay. I'll give you a very minor example. On or last trip, we rode the peoplemover. My wife was in an ECV due to a knee injury and unable to walk more than a few steps. Well, out of nowhere, a freak lightening storm came requiring an evacuation of the ride. However, since my wife couldn't walk, Disney did not have the means to properly evacuate her. In comes RCFD to the rescue. The Disney CM's were telling us that RCFD is down there often to pull people off of coasters or rides that break down in mid track. I bet that Disney pays a ridiculously low cost for these services. I will also bet that if Disney did not own and operate RCID, those services would cost A LOT more. Plus, there would be fined imposed upon Disney for not maintaining their own crews to evacuate the rides, if not fines for the rides not being able to be evacuated.
These fines are likely more the nuisance though compared to the first point that it would inhibit what they can build and where and how much red tap it takes.
The 1B is a small fee compared to what Disney would give up.
It would also take services a lot more time to get there, and we all know they wouldn't take as much care with their surroundings.Except Disney would then have to build to county regulations which would greatly slow down construction. They would have to do significant updates to existing infrastructure as well.
There would be a lot of additional fees they would have to pay. I'll give you a very minor example. On or last trip, we rode the peoplemover. My wife was in an ECV due to a knee injury and unable to walk more than a few steps. Well, out of nowhere, a freak lightening storm came requiring an evacuation of the ride. However, since my wife couldn't walk, Disney did not have the means to properly evacuate her. In comes RCFD to the rescue. The Disney CM's were telling us that RCFD is down there often to pull people off of coasters or rides that break down in mid track. I bet that Disney pays a ridiculously low cost for these services. I will also bet that if Disney did not own and operate RCID, those services would cost A LOT more. Plus, there would be fined imposed upon Disney for not maintaining their own crews to evacuate the rides, if not fines for the rides not being able to be evacuated.
These fines are likely more the nuisance though compared to the first point that it would inhibit what they can build and where and how much red tap it takes.
The 1B is a small fee compared to what Disney would give up.
I don’t disagree with some of those points. One thing I can bet on ….Disney has done their homework. The local governments -time will tell. Disney has already thoroughly looked into all of those angles.
It would also take services a lot more time to get there, and we all know they wouldn't take as much care with their surroundings.
The conspiracy theory in me wants to believe that the board cut a deal with Florida that if they bump out Chapek and put Iger back in <snip>, Florida will re-negotiate RCID.
There’s a report by the Financial Times that Florida lawmakers are working on reversing the legislation, and reinstating the RCID, with a few changes to the terms.
Yeah, but then there’s this: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/bu...s-report-u-turn-disneys-reedy-creek-rcna59803.There’s a report by the Financial Times that Florida lawmakers are working on reversing the legislation, and reinstating the RCID, with a few changes to the terms. Seems it is happening pretty closely with Iger’s return, so some behind the scenes negotiations may have been high on the priority list!
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The DME was the thing that hurt the most when it was removed. When we had that, I felt like vacation started at my departing airport since I didn't need to think about it again until I was in my room. Of all the things, that's the one I want back most.It's almost a little sad that we just want things back that we had for years - not even asking for anything new, just asking for things that we loved that were taken away. This would require no creativity on the part of Disney, and would make loyal customers (like DVC owners) instantly happy -
- bring back AP's - sold w/ DVC discount AND includes memory maker
- bring back magical express
- bring back FP and dump Genie +
- no more park reservations, and definitely no limits on park hopping
Just 3 years ago, we had all of these things, the Disney company was doing well.
The genie + never made much sense to me. They should give the free 3 fast passes back and add an express lane like Universal for $100/day or whatever. No tech support for a special line, the poeple that can't afford the express pass would still have what they had, and Disney can cash in on those willing to pay the extra.Of maybe they can do a hybrid of FP+ and GP+,?
Allowing some rides done ahead..less popular with other day of?