To Infinity and Beyond - Becoming a Better DopeyBadger (Comments Welcome)

It certainly helps, but there are certainly dead stoppers. At Disney where I finished 193 out of 19000ish, I still had someone cut me off at the aid station without ever looking around mile 17. He actually did it to me again on the WWOS track. I for sure gave him the look.

As you should've! I can't believe people sometimes! Improper race etiquette is a pet peeve of mine! :headache:

I wonder if he was wearing headphones. I think listening to music tends to lead some people to 'zone out' and forget there are other runners around them.
 
As you should've! I can't believe people sometimes! Improper race etiquette is a pet peeve of mine! :headache:

I wonder if he was wearing headphones. I think listening to music tends to lead some people to 'zone out' and forget there are other runners around them.

Surprisingly no headphones. Just simply unaware of his surroundings.
 
Fun fact #2: I tried to find a good unicorn in the My Little Pony universe and this one seems to fit the bill. "Medallion Gold is the timekeeping pony for the Equestria Games qualification tryouts in Rainbow Falls. Also appears in Rarity's flashback in The Cart Before the Ponies and at the Ponyville Hospital in Where the Apple Lies. His cutie mark is a gold medal with a red lanyard."
There's also one called Perfect Timing, but she seems to be music related.
And one just called Elite Pony!
There's also one called Banana Fluff :banana:

But there's like a zillion of them to chose from http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_ponies/Unicorn_ponies
 
Wow your strategy makes for a really interesting read! I never really think about bathroom breaks other than not wanting to go right before the start. It really is fascinating the level of detail you've gone into and I'm so excited to follow along!

I'll be tracking and following along, luckily 7.30am is actually quite a reasonable time here in London!
 
Fun fact #2: I tried to find a good unicorn in the My Little Pony universe and this one seems to fit the bill. "Medallion Gold is the timekeeping pony for the Equestria Games qualification tryouts in Rainbow Falls. Also appears in Rarity's flashback in The Cart Before the Ponies and at the Ponyville Hospital in Where the Apple Lies. His cutie mark is a gold medal with a red lanyard."
There's also one called Perfect Timing, but she seems to be music related.
And one just called Elite Pony!
There's also one called Banana Fluff :banana:

But there's like a zillion of them to chose from http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_ponies/Unicorn_ponies
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Run, Billy, Run!

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You are going to crush it!
 
Wow! Reading your strategy is awesome. The tips about refilling your water bottle are great as well. I do not really have any tips since I am such a newbie, but you seem more than ready to me! I hope the weather works out in your favor! Fingers crossed!
 
Fun fact #2: I tried to find a good unicorn in the My Little Pony universe and this one seems to fit the bill. "Medallion Gold is the timekeeping pony for the Equestria Games qualification tryouts in Rainbow Falls. Also appears in Rarity's flashback in The Cart Before the Ponies and at the Ponyville Hospital in Where the Apple Lies. His cutie mark is a gold medal with a red lanyard."
There's also one called Perfect Timing, but she seems to be music related.
And one just called Elite Pony!
There's also one called Banana Fluff :banana:

But there's like a zillion of them to chose from http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_ponies/Unicorn_ponies

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Wow your strategy makes for a really interesting read!

Thanks!

I never really think about bathroom breaks other than not wanting to go right before the start. It really is fascinating the level of detail you've gone into and I'm so excited to follow along!

We work so hard on the training and then fail to realize sometimes that a bathroom break can cost us so much more than some of the little things. I do my best to ensure that doesn't happen, but things happen.

I'll be tracking and following along, luckily 7.30am is actually quite a reasonable time here in London!

Fun!


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I just saw the TRIMP "cutie mark".

Run, Billy, Run!

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You are going to crush it!

Thanks! I wish you the best of luck as well!

Wow! Reading your strategy is awesome. The tips about refilling your water bottle are great as well. I do not really have any tips since I am such a newbie, but you seem more than ready to me! I hope the weather works out in your favor! Fingers crossed!

Thanks! Preparation can be a key to success. Handling adversity is another key.

Billy, good luck in your race (in case I can't get back on here before Sunday!). You will crush it! :)

Thanks!
 
Popping in to say good luck! I know you'll do it!

Haven't run in over 6 weeks (my baby won't let anyone put him down - wah!) so I'm going to live vicariously through you!
 
Popping in to say good luck! I know you'll do it!

Thanks!

Haven't run in over 6 weeks (my baby won't let anyone put him down - wah!) so I'm going to live vicariously through you!

Oh man, that's rough. Hang in there!

Dopeybadger, like you, I was a high school football player (also offensive line).

In case you need a half-time talk (this is calmer than the ones I remember):

That's a good one. Thanks for sharing!

Christine and I will be rooting for you from Pennsylvania!

Thanks!

Go get it Billy! :cheer2:

Enjoy your victory lap!! :car:

Thanks!

Good luck tomorrow @DopeyBadger! I live super close to the race route around mile 21-22 and am considering walking up there in the morning to spectate for a bit. :) Motivation to perhaps run this race myself one day.

Highly recommend it as the Badgerland Striders do a really good job putting this one on. Maybe I'll see you there around 9:57am!
 
2017 Milwaukee Lakefront Marathon Strategy

Pre-Race Day

-Beet-It Shots
--Consume one Beet-It shot (400mg nitrate) on Tuesday
--Consume two Beet-It shots (800mg nitrate) on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday.
--Completing this dose loading procedure on the days prior will allow some residual NO2 and NO3 to exist in the blood since the pharmacodynamics suggest that with high dosing the levels do not return to normal after 24 hrs.

-Western Australian Carb Loading Procedure
On Saturday (the day before the race), I will attempt to follow the Western Australian Carb Loading Procedure. Here is an outline:

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My body weight as of this morning is 164 pounds (up from 157 prior to Lakefront 2016, although I'd like to argue most of this is good weight). My VO2max per my Garmin is 55 right now and has been hovering around 55-57 for the last several weeks.

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A person with a VO2max of 55 gets the following prediction chart. A typical marathon finishing time would be 3:35-3:58. Guess that means I'm not typical (or at least I hope so).

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Jack Daniels marathon range is from 2:59-3:20 for a VO2max of 55. An Elite Marathon Zone would be 2:57-3:05. Rut-roh look who found themselves in the "elite" zone for a goal time. What does this mean? If my VO2max is truly 55 (which is arguable one way or the other), then I better have a really really high running economy and thus Lactate Threshold that allows me to hold a relatively high pace given my VO2max. Do I think this is true? No idea. It would mean I need to be pretty darn good at what I do, thats for sure.

So, if we say a goal time of ~3:00 and look down the chart (~83% VO2max) you can see that the necessary glucose (g) / hour consumption rate needs to be 91.1 grams. Yikes! Not good. It believes that if I were to attempt this relative pace, I would need to consume near the human capacity for glucose per hour during racing (roughly 90g). But alas, that's not the strategy. I will be consuming some carbs while running, but the bulk of the storage will come from super compensation using the Western Australian Carb Loading Procedure.

Something to keep in mind. The original WACLP research paper stated that the procedure needed to be proceeded by a workout on the day prior to the marathon consisting of some 130% VO2max pacing. Like really really fast. Like 800m-1600m race pace for 2-3 minutes. That's plain nuts. However, the second WACLP research paper (which is almost never cited by people discussing this method) from the same research group showed that the super fast workout was unnecessary to yield the same super compensation benefits. If it works as it should, then my body will boost carbohydrate storage by 190% and is achieved because of the training done prior with all runs of less than 90 minutes without carbs. This will be my 5th time using this method and while I have no proof whether it works or not, I will continue to use it in the hopes it is actually achieving the end goal.

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The plan calls for 10.3 g carbs consumed for every kilogram of body weight. My weight this morning was 164, so I will use that. This means I need to consume 768 g carbs on Saturday. About 80% of that should come in liquid form to reduce GI bulk (614.3 g). In addition, 153 g carbs should come from non-liquid sources and real meals. This means I will consume 3071 calories of carbs and need to fill in the remainder of my diet with protein and fat. I will attempt to consume 85g of protein and 8 g of fat (that's tough for me). In order to consume 614.3 g carbs in liquid form, I need to consume 36 scoops of E-Fuel powder (71% Maltodrextin and 29% Fructose) which contains 17g carbs per scoop (the original WACLP uses 100% Maltodrextin). Each scoop needs 8 oz of water. I will need to space out this consumption of carbs with no more than 4 scoops per hour to ensure my body is absorbing all of the carbs and not overloaded. This means at least 9 hours of drinking 32 oz of carb drink (the earlier in the day this ends the better to give my body time to absorb everything prior to the race). In theory, this will boost my muscle's capacity to store carbs by 190% and will give me the ability to run as fast as a 3:06:36 marathon. Well, that means I can't just use the Western Australian Carb Loading Procedure solely either.

The amount of calories being consumed is not abnormal for me (3412 total calories) and that's key because you don't want to all of the sudden flood your body with more calories then it's used to. You just want to alter the percentage of the different sources (carbs, protein, and fat). During my normal diet, I typically consumed between 2900-3500 calories per day.

Meals wise, I'll stick to basic and probably have my oatmeal, bananas, chicken, rice, pretzels. Nothing too crazy.

Race Day

Consumables before race
-Breakfast

--Breakfast will consist of a peanut butter and honey bagel and a banana. Since the race starts at 7:30, I am estimating the last time I can use the restroom will be around 6:50am. Thus, this meal will be consumed around 4:50-5:00am.

-Water
--At breakfast, I will drink 32 oz of water. Since I like to give my bladder 2 hours from last drink to last chance to use the restroom. This means my last water drink will be around 4:50-5:00am.

-Beet-It Shot
--Ideally, this would be taken between 60-90 minutes prior to race start. The peak of the NO2 and NO3 in the blood occurs about 2.5-4 hours after consumption which means that this would be right in the middle of the race timing wise. However, the risk of needing to use the restroom far outweighs the benefits from the beet shots. Thus, I will also consume these shots at around 5:00am. This means I will have the peak effect of the Beet It during the first half of the marathon. But I'm not willing to risk the need to use the bathroom. I'll take two shots (800mg).

Consumables during race
-Water
-Given the forecast (T+D of 95-110) I plan on taking my small Nathan 10oz handheld with me. I was hoping to run without it, but I think the T+D is just a tad too high for me to get away without it. I plan to re-fill the bottle at every aid station (2, 4, 7.5, 10, 11, 13, 15.5, 17.5, 19.5, 21, 22.5, 24, and 25).

-E-Gel

--E-Gels contain 37g of carbs (Maltodrextin and Fructose, which double carb source has been shown to be more effective in consumptions rates because of different metabolic pathways). I will consume one E-Gel roughly 15 min prior to race start with a minimal amount of water. This will allow the first dose of carbs to begin the digestion process before the race actually starts. Given the water stops (2, 4, 7.5, 10, 11, 13, 15.5, 17.5, 19.5, 21, 22.5, 24, and 25) I need to time my gel consumption with the availability of water. So, I will carry three additional E-Gels (beyond the fourth taken right at the start) and consume them at 4, 11, and 17.5. No more than 90g carbs can be consumed within an hour and this will not violate that rule. I need to ensure I drink ~18 oz of water (2oz water per g carb) for absorption purposes.

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This comes out to 49 g carbs per hour and given my VO2max% as a goal (83) I would hit the wall at 19.7 miles. However, the WACLP should get me past that.

-RunGum
--The caffeinated RunGum in training took about 5 min to chew, one mile to become effective, and lasted about 6-7 miles. Thus, I plan to take the RunGum at Mile 19 with the hope that it kicks in at Mile 20.

Pacing
Probably one of the most important aspects of running a marathon is a sound pacing strategy. The last two years my pacing strategy has been to run blind. I don't look at any pace feedback (neither GPS watch or on course timing devices). I did this because I had been a consistently negative person to myself when the pacing would go awry. So by removing the feedback I could trust my effort through the race without the fear of negativity due to feedback. This strategy has served me well, but has been discussed many times prior leads to some very wacky pacing. I'm likely hindering my performance from a pacing standpoint by racing blind. Thus, for this race I will have some feedback, but will remember above all else: stay positive.

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The course is a net downhill with some climbs at 2-3.5, 10, 17-19, and 21. Mile 23 is a massive downhill.

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Data mining has taught me to look to the past to help guide my future. The average training pace for marathon tempo workouts was a 6:59 min/mile over the last 9 weeks. If I use the 2015 Lakefront Marathon pacing structure as a guideline, or a 2% cap through 12 miles, or the 2016 Lakefront Marathon I get some scenarios to work with. My training dictates my capabilities and the Hansons training states that a 2% increase in fitness on race day is a near best case scenario. However, 2015 Lakefront was a 2.5% increase.

The plan will be to set a hard cap of 2% through mile 12. Which means I am not allowed to run any faster than a 6:51 min/mile until after mile 12. I can certainly run slower and in the case of the 2015 model I averaged a 7:01 min/mile through 10k. So my goal is to maintain a pace between 6:51-7:11 through the first 12 miles. According to these models, I should reach the 10k timing mat (accounting for the 1.005% increase in distance) around 42:37-43:43 and the HM timing mat around 1:30:03-1:31:12.

After mile 12, the cap comes off and I go back to running by feel. The goal is to hold myself back through the first 12 miles with this cap. If I'm slower then fine, but no faster. But after 12 miles, anything goes as long as it feels right.

At 24.35 miles, I intend on looking at my overall time. If I see a 2:46:00, then I know a sub-3 might still be possible. As long as I see less than 2:50:00, I know a useable BQ may still be in play.

The models then predict a 20 mile timing mat around 2:15-2:18. Lastly, as a finishing time between 2:57-3:04.

A lot of things can happen in a marathon, so I need to pay attention to the signs and signals my body is giving me.

Live Tracking
Live tracking will be available at the following link (LINK). I'm bib #152.

They've added additional tracking options:

Web-based
Map-based

What to watch for while live tracking.

Given the race starts at 7:30am central. The expected times of the timing mats (no guarantee as to what they actually have on course but based on past experience) would be as follows:

10k - 8:12am central
HM - 9:00am central
20 mile - 9:45-9:50am central
Finish - 10:30am central

Look for times in these areas

10k - 42-43 minutes
HM - 1:30-1:32
20 mile - 2:15-2:18

The real key will be looking at the pace between the timing mats. What is HM-10k and 20 mile - HM? Because that will indicate whether I am picking up the pace, slowing down, or maintaining. The 20 mile time minus the HM time and pace between will be the biggest indicator as to whether I am going to hit the goal. Because it will be necessary for me to pick up the pace slightly during that portion of the race.

That's the strategy. Thoughts?
I love it!! You have nothing be negative about, everything is just part of the journey :-) Enjoy you're victory lap!
 
Good luck tomorrow @DopeyBadger! I live super close to the race route around mile 21-22 and am considering walking up there in the morning to spectate for a bit. :) Motivation to perhaps run this race myself one day.

That's what happened to me. Last year, I walked over around mile 22-23 to watch friends running. How about running it next year?
 

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