2019 Dues

[lovin'fl]

Plus it allows Disney to sell studios to larger families. Its a win win for them all around. And DVC families of five who use studios aren't complaining.

Of course they aren't...they have small contracts (maybe 100 points so their dues will be $640-740). Mine, according to this estimate, will be over $4800. Just need to downsize and live the studio life.

 

[motherof5]

Wow just found out about the dues increase. Of course my luck we just finally purchased this past Feb.

 

[Darklord77]

With the increase will they actually come and CLEAN the units or just walk thru and pretend to clean? Many units look as if they haven't had a good cleaning since they were built.

That's not generally how it goes from my experience. The employees feel that they were entitled to this pay increase for a long time. If we are lucky productivity will remain the same. Ever since the fast food workers $15 crusade started the customer service at these locations has dropped considerably in my opinion. In general they are not making a good argument for a pay raise. But that's just my opinion.

 

[Pluto777]

This won't break me this year, and I do support staff having a living wage. My concern is it growing this way into the future.

Like others though, I'm thinking they need to revisit the daily trash pick up (room inspection). One guy in Vegas builds an arsenal in a hotel room and everyone is subjected to and has to pay for this daily inspection. If the Vegas tragedy was part of a growing trend I could understand the need for the inspections. Not trying to be insensitive, I hope I haven't offended anybody.

Well said, agree 100%! There is a LONG history of 3-3.5% MF increases, a ONE TIME jump to appx 10% is bad enough and is one thing, but if this begins a NEW trend for the future it is an EXTREMELY serious thing that should concern any member.

Also agree on the second point. Yes there must be some security of course, but one has to be realistic about the ability to be safe and how much is really preventable. Unless you want to turn the world's most relaxing vacation resort into a military base there are limits to what you can do. Realistically the extremely unlikely tragedies that can occur (alligators, lunatics, accidents etc) can only be prevented up to a certain point. Perhaps there are lawyers who pushed DVD on things like the 'security room check' as an overreaction to the latest news headlines last year? Perhaps it was to protect not just guests, but Disney ITSELF from lawsuits? If that is the case maybe they could just have guests sign a waiver promising not to hold Disney responsible for every possible thing? I don't know, but common sense must prevail and people need to be realistic or MF costs can skyrocket. You can't always protect yourself from being hit by a meteorite or a bug bite, a random Alligator etc. If they are going to throw money at EVERY possible danger or lawsuit no matter how remote, MF's may quickly become untenable as well as membership.

 

[skier_pete]

We have access to the budget breakdowns at the resorts we own and I do not to CCV but it's being reported that the specific line item for housekeeping did not increase and it's been a large increase at all the other resorts. So, not that the aggregate increase at CCV was less than others but that that specific line item was virtually unchanged per reports. With the wage increases supposedly affecting every other resort it's a good question.

OK - alternate theory with no basis in fact - perhaps they built the increased price into the dues because they figured that it was coming soon.

 

[Henwen88]

Well said, agree 100%! There is a LONG history of 3-3.5% MF increases, a ONE TIME jump to appx 10% is bad enough and is one thing, but if this begins a NEW trend for the future it is an EXTREMELY serious thing that should concern any member.

Also agree on the second point. Yes there must be some security of course, but one has to be realistic about the ability to be safe and how much is really preventable. Unless you want to turn the world's most relaxing vacation resort into a military base there are limits to what you can do. Realistically the extremely unlikely tragedies that can occur (alligators, lunatics, accidents etc) can only be prevented up to a certain point. Perhaps there are lawyers who pushed DVD on things like the 'security room check' as an overreaction to the latest news headlines last year? Perhaps it was to protect not just guests, but Disney ITSELF from lawsuits? If that is the case maybe they could just have guests sign a waiver promising not to hold Disney responsible for every possible thing? I don't know, but common sense must prevail and people need to be realistic or MF costs can skyrocket. You can't always protect yourself from being hit by a meteorite or a bug bite, a random Alligator etc. If they are going to throw money at EVERY possible danger or lawsuit no matter how remote, MF's may quickly become untenable as well as membership.

Like on a cruise ship... have you ever actually read the 'bill of rights' or whatever that you have to sign to take a cruise? It's a giant LOL.

 

[skier_pete]

Hey, has anyone NOT gotten an e-mail? I haven't actually received one, even though I have two contracts.

 

[Mumof4mice]

Hey, has anyone NOT gotten an e-mail? I haven't actually received one, even though I have two contracts.

No email received here. Maybe they don't want us to pay, @skier_pete

 

[CarolynFH]

Hey, has anyone NOT gotten an e-mail? I haven't actually received one, even though I have two contracts.

We haven’t gotten any either. I’m not worried - they know where we live.

 

[Mousewerks]

So our SSR flyer came in the mail today.
Annual Operating Budget - 4.0020 per vacation point
Capital Reserves - 1.0870 per vacation point
Ad valorem taxes - 1.3151 per vacation point.

Thus 6.4041 per vacation point.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Hey, has anyone NOT gotten an e-mail? I haven't actually received one, even though I have two contracts.

I never got an email, just went to the website. The USPS should get the hard copy to us soon.

 

[hakepb]

So our SSR flyer came in the mail today.
Annual Operating Budget - 4.0020 per vacation point
Capital Reserves - 1.0870 per vacation point
Ad valorem taxes - 1.3151 per vacation point.

Thus 6.4041 per vacation point.

I thought it was interesting that they expected $203,000+ in parking fee revenue at SSR. (I guess that’s only 1 week of parking per unit)

 

[striker1064]

Hey, has anyone NOT gotten an e-mail? I haven't actually received one, even though I have two contracts.

Mine went to spam, for some reason.

 

[WB1971]

Why would Disney pay for costs that we are legally obligated to cover? We own a timeshare - part of the deal is that we pay the operating expenses of the timeshare. Disney isn't going to use profits or tax savings to cover what is legally our costs.

And if they did, they might be breaking the law. They have a fiduciary duty to their shareholders.

I clearly stated I understood employees working only for DVC would be our responsibility, so no need to ask your rhetorical question ignoring an important part of my direct statement. The scope of some of these increases upon examination seems unduly high. A 10% increase now is something I’ll be paying for 40 years (if I make it!), the compounding effect of this will quickly change the economics. Will 10% this year make much difference to me? No. But many like this, and the product will be unaffordable by the time I reach retirement age. Just disappointing to see large jumps this early in my ownership, when dues have been “stable” for the better part of 20 years. (Increases at least somewhat inline with inflation)

 

[E2ME2]

My concern is also with the trend-breaking result of this increase. I had grown comfortable/tolerant of the typical yearly increases since we purchased in 2011, and our future plans into retirement have assumed an annual increase more in line with inflation/COLA increases. 10% is a pretty big jump, and if an anomaly for 2019 that is not repeated for another 7-10 years, it's absorbable. However, if there are continued increases of 10% per year, this becomes a cost-benefit issue, and the long term plan for retirement may need to be adjusted. Go-Figure, I just added on points this year!
I was planning to pick up some points via resale next year, but may want to wait until 2020, to see what happens with MFs.

 

[tjkraz]

My concern is also with the trend-breaking result of this increase. I had grown comfortable/tolerant of the typical yearly increases since we purchased in 2011, and our future plans into retirement have assumed an annual increase more in line with inflation/COLA increases. 10% is a pretty big jump, and if an anomaly for 2019 that is not repeated for another 7-10 years, it's absorbable. However, if there are continued increases of 10% per year, this becomes a cost-benefit issue, and the long term plan for retirement may need to be adjusted. Go-Figure, I just added on points this year!
I was planning to pick up some points via resale next year, but may want to wait until 2020, to see what happens with MFs.

Taking entry level employees from $10 per hour to $13 within the span of a year is a trend-breaking increase in wages. We know that it's going to go up about $1 in 2020 and yet another $1 in 2021. If you believe that wages will continue to escalate in a similar fashion in future years--rising to $18 or $20 per hour in the next round of negotiations--act accordingly. DVC has no say in these union deliberations, nor do I expect owners were of any concern to Disney's decision making process.

Cash guests are going to be hit with similar increases. Disney is obligated to pay the higher wages to all non-DVC cast members and they'll certainly be looking to recoup the added expense. But they have the flexibility to roll it out more gradually. Expect other Florida hotels and businesses to follow suit if this growing movement for higher wages takes root.

 

[skier_pete]

If this is mostly due to the sharp increase in pay, it's easy to see it as a one-time event. Even going from $13 to $14 an hour is only a 7% increase in 2020, as opposed to going from $10 to $13 is a 30% increase in 2019.

 

[4evryoung]

News releases at the time of the pay deal state that minimum pay would rise to $11 in Dec 2018, $12 in March 2019, $13 is Sept 2019, $14 in Oct 2020, $15 in Oct 2021. The deal also included retroactive pay of 50 cents per hour or 3% (whichever is greater) for all hours worked back to Sept 2017. The latter payments due because staff hadn't had a pay increase during the negotiations

From this I would conclude that a) rises in dues were probablylower than they should have been in 2018 because staff didn't get a pay rise (unless provision was made for a wage rise within reserves); b) part of the 2019 dues increases are possibly made up of the cost of the backpay to Sept 2017; c) the full year effect of $13 per hour will not be apparent until 2020 dues statements are issued as the increases are in a phased implementation; d) consequently, 2020's increases are likely to be at least as substantial as 2019's; and e) smaller, but significant increase will continue into 2021 and 2022 due to the wage increases coming in part way through the proceeding year.

 

[ksromack]

Wow just found out about the dues increase. Of course my luck we just finally purchased this past Feb.

Well, we just bought in on October 7th! Of this year! Paid our dues (I thought) upon signing the deed.......then I got a bill a couple days ago for an additional $128.33 We only bought in at 75 points to test the waters.......

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Well, we just bought in on October 7th! Of this year! Paid our dues (I thought) upon signing the deed.......then I got a bill a couple days ago for an additional $128.33 We only bought in at 75 points to test the waters.......

Dues are not paid at the time of purchase (as you discovered!) They are pro-rated from the date you sign and then you get the bill approx 6 weeks later. The bills for 2019 will start arriving a week or two after they are approved at the Dec 13th meeting and have a deadline of Jan 15th although they are not past due until after Feb 14th. Or you can sign up to have them paid monthly. One nice thing is that they don't charge any fees or interest when you select the monthly payment option.