Rise of Resistance line method poll

[mjr0483]

That’s not “fair”. Not everyone is able to get to the park at 4 am to be first in line. The current system is the “fair”-est.

Just imagine if Best Buy had a door buster for a 100” 8K TV for $500 and everyone on line had to pay. But there are only 100 available. And they had a lottery to see which of the 1000 people online got one. But if you didn’t get lucky enough to win the TV, they gave you a toaster instead?

it’s the same thing. They are asking you to commit your ticket to win a lottery.

 

[Hutt]

How exactly do they do this with BG gone in 60 seconds?

You talk to the GET and they scan you in before 8 am and get a pass when they all go live.

 

[Hutt]

Just imagine if Best Buy had a door buster for a 100” 8K TV for $500 and everyone on line had to pay. But there are only 100 available. And they had a lottery to see which of the 1000 people online got one. But if you didn’t get lucky enough to win the TV, they gave you a toaster instead?

it’s the same thing. They are asking you to commit your ticket to win a lottery.

Nobody is guaranteed access to any ride. People go to parks hoping to ride 7dmt or FOP or Peter Pan and walk away without those too. Does that make their entire day a waste?

If your only goal in going to the park is rotr, then don’t go to the park because you are likely to be disappointed.

 

[mjr0483]

You talk to the GET and they scan you in before 8 am and get a pass when they all go live.

Is there a better chance to get a BG with this method?

if I have 5 in my group, can I put 3 people in that lottery and 2 with smartphones?
Can I double up and get 5 with get and then try on our phones?

 

[Hutt]

Is there a better chance to get a BG with this method?

if I have 5 in my group, can I put 3 people in that lottery and 2 with smartphones?
Can I double up and get 5 with get and then try on our phones?

I mean, you could, but it’s kind of an awful thing to do. The GET lines are the only way for some people to try to get boarding passes and you’d be taking a space away from them when you have perfectly good phones.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Just imagine if Best Buy had a door buster for a 100” 8K TV for $500 and everyone on line had to pay. But there are only 100 available. And they had a lottery to see which of the 1000 people online got one. But if you didn’t get lucky enough to win the TV, they gave you a toaster instead?

it’s the same thing. They are asking you to commit your ticket to win a lottery.

But you would know that going in - so you are choosing to pay that $500 for a chance at a 100" TV but knowing not guaranteed

It is like a lottery - though some level of skill/ability to be prepared that comes into play as well - so maybe more like gambling

It definitely sucks for people that have their heart set on riding, plan their trip around it, and then aren't able to - but at this point I think people have to know that is a possibility, that it isn't guaranteed, so they are going in knowing what the outcome might be and are willing to take that chance

And even without this one ride there is a ton of stuff to do in Galaxy's Edge and in just a few days also another new E-ticket in the park with MMRR, so not sure a "toaster" is a comparable alternative level

 

[mamaofsix]

Nobody is guaranteed access to any ride. People go to parks hoping to ride 7dmt or FOP or Peter Pan and walk away without those too. Does that make their entire day a waste?

If your only goal in going to the park is rotr, then don’t go to the park because you are likely to be disappointed.

Big difference between ROTR and those rides - mainly that the only reason someone would have to walk away from 7dmt, FOP or PP is if THEY choose not to wait in a long line. With ROTR, you don't even have the option to wait.

People aren't saying that ROTR is their only goal, just that Disney is heavily advertising the ride without telling people that odds are high that they will get to the park and not be allowed to ride it.

 

[mjr0483]

Maybe they need to do it more like a true lottery (Like Broadway tickets) and just admit it is a lottery.

You can register 24 hours in advance then at 8pm the day before you are notified if you won and what you BG is. So if you get BG 52 you can choose to sleep in or if you lose now you can go to another park. Instead of dragging the entire family to the park to be inside for a chance to win. It will certainly increase the number of people entering. Also if you are in a 7 day ticket, then you have 7 chances. And if you have won then you can’t enter again.

 

[yulilin3]

I would be interested to know the makeup of the people that chose the current system (the one currently with the most votes) Are they mostly people who have already done RotR? is it a 50/50 mix of people who have done it and those who haven't but understand the concept well?
I believe 99% of people who have done RotR have said that the VQ is the best system for the current situation.

 

[pseudoswede]

I would be interested to know the makeup of the people that chose the current system (the one currently with the most votes) Are they mostly people who have already done RotR? is it a 50/50 mix of people who have done it and those who haven't but understand the concept well?
I believe 99% of people who have done RotR have said that the VQ is the best system for the current situation.

I have ridden RotR and voted for VQ. If I didn't get to ride it on our only day at DHS, I still would've voted VQ. No way would I ever stand in a 2+ hour line nor pay for significantly overpriced hotel rooms. I would only vote for FP+ if it opened for everyone a week before--no preferential treatment to onsite/club-level guests.

 

[mjr0483]

VQ is the best. They need to handle the lottery better. If they don’t want first come, first severed, then they need to come up with a buyer way than to get everyone scanned into the park and then hold the lottery.

 

[KMWoolley]

Maybe they need to do it more like a true lottery (Like Broadway tickets) and just admit it is a lottery.

You can register 24 hours in advance then at 8pm the day before you are notified if you won and what you BG is. So if you get BG 52 you can choose to sleep in or if you lose now you can go to another park. Instead of dragging the entire family to the park to be inside for a chance to win. It will certainly increase the number of people entering. Also if you are in a 7 day ticket, then you have 7 chances. And if you have won then you can’t enter again.

So effectively you are greatly reducing your chances of getting a BG with this method. Anyone could register for a BG, not just Disney hotel guests, not just pass holders, heck, you don't even need to have a ticket to the park in hand (cause you would buy it the next day).

 

[mjr0483]

So effectively you are greatly reducing your chances of getting a BG with this method. Anyone could register for a BG, not just Disney hotel guests, not just pass holders, heck, you don't even need to have a ticket to the park in hand (cause you would buy it the next day).

No, it will just like FP. You will need to have tickets linked to your MDE.

 

[Hutt]

I would be interested to know the makeup of the people that chose the current system (the one currently with the most votes) Are they mostly people who have already done RotR? is it a 50/50 mix of people who have done it and those who haven't but understand the concept well?
I believe 99% of people who have done RotR have said that the VQ is the best system for the current situation.

I would like to see the results of a non-leading poll where the options aren’t “boarding groups or ARMAGEDDON”. There will not be 6 hour lineups. Self selection will cap it at pandora levels at most.

 

[eeyoreandtink]

VQ is the best. They need to handle the lottery better. If they don’t want first come, first severed, then they need to come up with a buyer way than to get everyone scanned into the park and then hold the lottery.

This is exactly how I feel. I have no problem with a VQ system, but the lottery system is horrible. You have to use a ticket day on the hope that the odds are in your favor that day. You have no option to get there first, wait it out, or anything else to ensure your ride. Its totally random.

I cannot believe that in all the years of R and D on this ride Disney couldn't anticipate the capacity problems they are having now and engineer a better way to deal with them. I think the bottom line of the whole situation is that they didn't build enough capacity into the ride to begin with. I suspect the whole thing is intentional to drive people to book more park days. Want to ride this thing more than once? You need to book a second day. Cannot get a ride on your first day? You can come back and spend more money with us for the opportunity to try again, and maybe fail.

What should have happened is that Disney should have built a ride that can handle the demand in a reasonable manner.

 

[yulilin3]

This is exactly how I feel. I have no problem with a VQ system, but the lottery system is horrible. You have to use a ticket day on the hope that the odds are in your favor that day. You have no option to get there first, wait it out, or anything else to ensure your ride. Its totally random.

I cannot believe that in all the years of R and D on this ride Disney couldn't anticipate the capacity problems they are having now and engineer a better way to deal with them. I think the bottom line of the whole situation is that they didn't build enough capacity into the ride to begin with. I suspect the whole thing is intentional to drive people to book more park days. Want to ride this thing more than once? You need to book a second day. Cannot get a ride on your first day? You can come back and spend more money with us for the opportunity to try again, and maybe fail.

What should have happened is that Disney should have built a ride that can handle the demand in a reasonable manner.

The problem is not capacity but reliability, the capacity is about the same as MFSR, but it's just not performing at capacity yet.
RotR was supposed to open with each land but because they were having issues they delayed it, at some point they just decided to open as is.
Now the solution would've probably been not to open at all until everything was fixed, but as it stands it is about 70% reliable and the powers that be decided to open it so 70% of people can enjoy it
This is not about them trying to get people to buy park hoppers or extra tickets or breakfast items, they really are trying to fix it every day and night

 

[KMWoolley]

No, it will just like FP. You will need to have tickets linked to your MDE.

You've still opened it up to the every on site guest, local off-site (with tickets) and locals (with AP) who now have no need to feel the pain of getting early to line up.
I estimate 120,000(ish) on site guests and even if offsite/locals is half that amount, you have 180,000 people trying for about 10,000 Boarding Groups. I don't think there are that many people showing up each morning presently. you would have a lot more disappointed people and trying for 7 straight days still is less than 50/50 odds

 

[Hutt]

This is exactly how I feel. I have no problem with a VQ system, but the lottery system is horrible. You have to use a ticket day on the hope that the odds are in your favor that day. You have no option to get there first, wait it out, or anything else to ensure your ride. Its totally random.

I cannot believe that in all the years of R and D on this ride Disney couldn't anticipate the capacity problems they are having now and engineer a better way to deal with them. I think the bottom line of the whole situation is that they didn't build enough capacity into the ride to begin with. I suspect the whole thing is intentional to drive people to book more park days. Want to ride this thing more than once? You need to book a second day. Cannot get a ride on your first day? You can come back and spend more money with us for the opportunity to try again, and maybe fail.

What should have happened is that Disney should have built a ride that can handle the demand in a reasonable manner.

But ROTR isn’t the only ride at HS. There are tons more things to do at that park now, and nobody is guaranteed any ride. The “you have to use a ticket to get a chance” is ... obvious. If the only reason someone has to go to HS is ROTR, then first, doing it rong, and second, don’t go right now.

 

[jbish]

It is like a lottery - though some level of skill/ability to be prepared that comes into play as well - so maybe more like gambling

As hard as it has been to see the number of guaranteed BGs dwindle and the ride going down quite a bit over the past week, accommodating fewer people overall, I still think the current system is the best for now. At a minimum, it is as stated above - I'd rather know that I might have a slight advantage, having done my research and done everything I can do to put myself in the best position to snag a BG than to leave it up to a total lottery system. Now, sure, I'm biased because I have done my research and I actually do think that those that have prepared well in advance could/should get a better shot of obtaining a BG versus someone randomly getting it. But ask me again on April 4th, around 8:03 am and let's see how I feel.

 

[mjr0483]

You've still opened it up to the every on site guest, local off-site (with tickets) and locals (with AP) who now have no need to feel the pain of getting early to line up.
I estimate 120,000(ish) on site guests and even if offsite/locals is half that amount, you have 180,000 people trying for about 10,000 Boarding Groups. I don't think there are that many people showing up each morning presently. you would have a lot more disappointed people and trying for 7 straight days still is less than 50/50 odds

If the only way is to drag everyone to the park to go through the gates, then they should be able to hand out vouchers to the losers that want to take their Magic one park one day and no park hopping tickets to another park.