No availability in a Copper Creek studio at 11 months

[BWV Dreamin]

To successfully walk you only need enough points to cover the two highest point-cost nights that will exist during your walk, i.e., typically two weekend nights.

What walking does at 11-months out is prevent anyone from reserving the room you have for the nights you already have and any future nights. Thus with enough points for two nights, you can begin a walk and succeed as long as you modify your reservation daily to drop a night and add a night. The only thing that having enough points for 7 nights adds to the equation is that the owner with that many points needs to modify only every 6 days.

In other words, if for example, I started a walk today, Sep 25, 2020, by reserving both Aug 25 and 26, 2021, I could successfully complete a walk to any period just as well as someone with enough points for 7 nights who started a walk today reserving Aug 25-Sep 2, 2021.

I understand but realistically no one is going to drop and add a day every day for any length of time. I wouldn’t even call it a walk with 50 points, more of a crawl.

 

[Pyotr]

To successfully walk you only need enough points to cover the two highest point-cost nights that will exist during your walk, i.e., typically two weekend nights.

What walking does at 11-months out is prevent anyone from reserving the room you have for the nights you already have and any future nights. Thus with enough points for two nights, you can begin a walk and succeed as long as you modify your reservation daily to drop a night and add a night. The only thing that having enough points for 7 nights adds to the equation is that the owner with that many points needs to modify only every 6 days.

In other words, if for example, I started a walk today, Sep 25, 2020, by reserving both Aug 25 and 26, 2021, I could successfully complete a walk to any period just as well as someone with enough points for 7 nights who started a walk today reserving Aug 25-Sep 2, 2021.

Someone blocked my walk of a deluxe studio for next August. I should have had plenty of time to adjust the reservation, but it was booked solid. So even if you have enough points to walk, it isn’t guaranteed.

Right now I’m walking a studio with a walk in shower. I know it’s frowned upon but I need to have a reservation for next Labor Day.

 

[Pyotr]

I understand but realistically no one is going to drop and add a day every day for any length of time. I wouldn’t even call it a walk with 50 points, more of a crawl.

I’m ashamed to admit it but that’s what I’m doing with a studio with walk in shower.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Someone blocked my walk of a deluxe studio for next August. I should have had plenty of time to adjust the reservation, but it was booked solid. So even if you have enough points to walk, it isn’t guaranteed.

Right now I’m walking a studio with a walk in shower. I know it’s frowned upon but I need to have a reservation for next Labor Day.

Another factor are fixed weeks. They have blocked many successful walks.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

I’m ashamed to admit it but that’s what I’m doing with a studio with walk in shower.

Nothing to be ashamed about. Best of luck!!!

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Someone blocked my walk of a deluxe studio for next August. I should have had plenty of time to adjust the reservation, but it was booked solid. So even if you have enough points to walk, it isn’t guaranteed.

Right now I’m walking a studio with a walk in shower. I know it’s frowned upon but I need to have a reservation for next Labor Day.

A deluxe studio? Do you meant at CCV? I know that's the location being discussed but just verifying. It's going to be very rare that a walk is blocked and I really wouldn't expect that to happen for an August trip as most fixed weeks are for Nov and even more so in Dec. I will say I don't feel there's a need for long walks though.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

As a 50 point owner at CCV, the availability of the studios is a little alarming for me. When we bought we figured there would be pretty open availability at 11 months but if you’re not on at 8 am, you’re SOL. Been wondering if we should sell CCV if it means we can’t really stay there since the amount of rooms doesn’t meet the demand. Am I just overreacting?

I also don't think you're overreacting. Getting a CCV studio for most Sept-Dec dates is probably always going to take a bit of work. I think it'll be possible but sadly it's not going to be as easy as other resorts. Too many Cabin points that were sold with no intention of the buyers booking them every year. (The cabins are really nice though - just belonged on the cash side or fewer of them or more bed options to make them appealing to a little broader audience).

 

[Pyotr]

A deluxe studio? Do you meant at CCV? I know that's the location being discussed but just verifying. It's going to be very rare that a walk is blocked and I really wouldn't expect that to happen for an August trip as most fixed weeks are for Nov and even more so in Dec. I will say I don't feel there's a need for long walks though.

Yes. My walk for August studio at CCV was blocked. I posted about it somewhere in this thread. I believe I had 8/9 - 8/16 booked. On 8/12 i was going to walk the reservation but anything after 8/16 was fully booked.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Yes. My walk for August studio at CCV was blocked. I posted about it somewhere in this thread. I believe I had 8/9 - 8/16 booked. On 8/12 i was going to walk the reservation but anything after 8/16 was fully booked.

And did you look again on 8/13- 8/15 (or rather I guess 9/13-9/15) to see if you could move it then? Was it the shower type? (not that it matters - just curious which one). 8/16 is a Monday so that wasn't a fixed week blocking anything. Might have been one of the IT glitches that only becomes apparent in the small booking categories during busy times - or at least that's what I believe happens. Problems with the inventory loads.

 

[Pyotr]

And did you look again on 8/15 to see if you could move it then? Was it the shower type? (not that it matters - just curious which one)

Yes. It was fully booked. It was the Deluxe Studio, not the one with the shower. There is more availability for the shower ones (I’m walking one right now).

 

[Sandisw]

That is an excellent point there that I really hadn't thought about with owners not being able to get a studio from October say through December and then not be able to get a studio anywhere, wow! If Disney did convert the rest of the WL to DVC, would that be a part of DVC-1 or DVC-2 or what?

I would guess they would make them part of CCV and would follow the same POS as the original resort, including same dates, etc.

It would really be adding more rooms for all owners to book. it is how the treehouse addition worked, They were added and bookable from the start by all owners...it just gave DVD more points sell at SSR.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I would guess they would make them part of CCV and would follow the same POS as the original resort, including same dates, etc.

It would really be adding more rooms for all owners to book. it is how the treehouse addition worked, They were added and bookable from the start by all owners...it just gave DVD more points sell at SSR.

And they did it at OKW - tore down the original sales location and added more buildings.

 

[SL6827]

I would guess they would make them part of CCV and would follow the same POS as the original resort, including same dates, etc.

It would really be adding more rooms for all owners to book. it is how the treehouse addition worked, They were added and bookable from the start by all owners...it just gave DVD more points sell at SSR.

I guess so. But don't you know that Disney would love to make it part of DVC-2. But legally they couldn't I suppose? But converting the rest of the lodge could help out owners who only own 50-75 points and were planning to stay in studios.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

I guess so. But don't you know that Disney would love to make it part of DVC-2. But legally they couldn't I suppose? But converting the rest of the lodge could help out owners who only own 50-75 points and were planning to stay in studios.

I don't see anyway it would be a viable plan if they did take over the rest of WL to make it a separate association and with restrictions.

 

[Sandisw]

I guess so. But don't you know that Disney would love to make it part of DVC-2. But legally they couldn't I suppose? But converting the rest of the lodge could help out owners who only own 50-75 points and were planning to stay in studios.

Having 3 different condo associations there wouldn’t make sense and I think the only reason they kept CCV point charts Like they did was the cabins. It allowed them to sell so many more points.

So, if they did convert, I’d say it becomes just part of CCV...but I’m not convinced it would ever happen.

 

[EM Lawrence]

If DVC designed the point charts at CC with the cabins allowing them to sell more points, and then knowingly sold a large number of small contracts, fully aware that it would create an inventory problem, could that be considered fraudulent? Are there any requirements that they balance the structure of the contracts they sell with what they can reasonably accommodate?

 

[mlayton14]

If DVC designed the point charts at CC with the cabins allowing them to sell more points, and then knowingly sold a large number of small contracts, fully aware that it would create an inventory problem, could that be considered fraudulent? Are there any requirements that they balance the structure of the contracts they sell with what they can reasonably accommodate?

Good question

 

[BWV Dreamin]

If DVC designed the point charts at CC with the cabins allowing them to sell more points, and then knowingly sold a large number of small contracts, fully aware that it would create an inventory problem, could that be considered fraudulent? Are there any requirements that they balance the structure of the contracts they sell with what they can reasonably accommodate?

And IMO should be challenged.

 

[M:SpilotISTC12]

And IMO should be challenged.

Agreed but how can you prove that they knew there would be an inventory problem? They can always claim a person who bought a 50 point contact is only going to stay in a 2 bedroom for one night. It's not their fault the buyer wants to stay in a studio for 3 days instead.

 

[EM Lawrence]

I’m sure they have plenty of data on booking patterns that would show room size and length of stay preference. A 1 night stay in a 2 BR happens, but it is not likely to be their typical booking pattern.